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Old Sep 26, 2010, 08:19 PM
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Prop for blue wonder / 3S 610mAh setup?

I haven't been on here in forever. I need to buy a few replacement props for the Swift 2. I'm currently using something labeled the GWS EP-7035. Diggs, you may have recommened it last year to go with my light-weight setup.

Not sure where I got them -- Hobby City maybe. What's a good stateside source for this prop or similar that would be good for the Blue Wonder and 3 cell 610mAh setup? Props is all I'd be ordering, so don't need a Hobby City link.

Having a floater is more important than top end speed.
The Swift 2 is still my favorite plane.
Thanks.
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Old Sep 26, 2010, 08:25 PM
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With a prop that size, I am guessing you are using the 1700kv blue wonder motor. Regardless, http://www.gwsprops.com/ is a great source for props. These guys are in the states and typically attend SEFF every year. I have met them several times and must say they are pretty good guys. You could likely get away with using a GWS 8040 prop on there also, but it will be much faster and consume more amps. Just make sure your ESC is up to the task.

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Old Sep 26, 2010, 09:52 PM
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Thanks Diggs. GWS's site is way too easy. I just ordered. Not sure why I didn't find it with a google search. Yeah, I think it was the BW 1700 -- but then I sent it to atom1025 for one of his rewinds.

I haven't been spending much time on RCG, but I'm still likin' your podcast every week.
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 04:02 PM
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Swift Night Flyer

Here's a few pic's of my Swift II night flyer. She's not the fastest wing around, but she'll go straight up out of sight.

Spec's;
Turnigy 2826-1300
GWS 8x4 Prop
Trunigy 12A ESC
Rhino 30C 3S 1350
Hitec MG-65's
2mm carbon bottom wing spars (no tape)
6mm spar at the CG
Top drive servo's
HK LED lighting
AUW 12.5oz
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 05:12 PM
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Is there enough difference between the top and bottom to keep track of its orientation? Looks like the winglets are the differentiator. Well along with the color difference on the tip of each wing. I don't know if I could remember yellow on left type of thing.
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Old Sep 30, 2010, 08:26 AM
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hi, I'm looking into a flying wing for slope flying, how is the swift at the slope? is it designed to be used with power on all the time or is it still good for the slope?
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Old Oct 01, 2010, 09:18 PM
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I just use the factory CG. It is very flexible with CG, but if you have to go one way or the other, go nose heavy and not tail heavy.

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Cheers Diggs,
I just picked up a Storm off RCG new in package. I brushed through the thread high level, got stuck on the post for April 10th 2009 and then got back on track.

I like your light setup you have quoted throughout the thread with the 3S610 and the Wonder motors. I have one of the Timocharis Red and Blue 3000 rewinds that is doing 23 ounces of thrust with a 8X4 GWS at a little over 10 amps, very quiet and happy motor.

With your light set up do you recomend any of the CF spars and such I have seen going through the thread, or stick with tape like the directions list? I have to say that paper called a manual it came with is a bit weak and english challenged.

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 09:40 PM
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LOL, the so called manual is lame, but you don't need much with the Swift II. Mine fly's naked with no spar or tape. However, I don't see any problems with using the tape. I kinda like it flexy so when I schmack mother earth it bounces nicely. Another option would be to use twine / kite string, and cut a slit top and bottom directly over each other, but don't go all the way through. Slide in the string, apply thin CA and let it harden. This does wonders on stiffening. Have done this on several 3D EPP foamy models and it always impresses me how lite and strong it is.


Hope you enjoy it!

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 09:45 PM
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LOL, the so called manual is lame, but you don't need much with the Swift II. Mine fly's naked with no spar or tape. However, I don't see any problems with using the tape. I kinda like it flexy so when I schmack mother earth it bounces nicely. Another option would be to use twine / kite string, and cut a slit top and bottom directly over each other, but don't go all the way through. Slide in the string, apply thin CA and let it harden. This does wonders on stiffening. Have done this on several 3D EPP foamy models and it always impresses me how lite and strong it is.
Hope you enjoy it!

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Thanks, I went to the Mr Flash school of building with EPP and make it light. so I figured your approach would be simular. I have some light carbon tow I used on the i3D and Sumo, should work very well.

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Old Oct 01, 2010, 10:03 PM
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Carbon Tow would work as well. I rarely mention it since few people have it or even know what it is. I have a ton of respect for Mr. Flash and his builds. He knows his stuff. Keep us posted on the Swift II, curious what you think of it.


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Old Oct 01, 2010, 10:18 PM
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Carbon Tow would work as well. I rarely mention it since few people have it or even know what it is. I have a ton of respect for Mr. Flash and his builds. He knows his stuff. Keep us posted on the Swift II, curious what you think of it.
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I really had fun with the Fire Fly of Leadfeathers, but the chassis just didn't hold up. That new thing him and Adam just posted looks positive!

I have build nearly all of MrFlash's builds, Dave taught me a lot, restarted the hobby after 20 some years off on his thread with EPP, couple years later I am building 27% stuff.... Love this hobby.

I started taking some interest in the Swift from some of your work, finally caught one at a good price. I am sure it will be everything I have heard.
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Old Oct 02, 2010, 09:57 PM
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Well it is near completed, very easy to put together. I was first impressed that the control rod grubs went into the servo arm without having to drill the arms out...... However the joy was short lived since the Grub keepers <washer lock rings> are too big for the grub stub and just fall off.

Oh well, adapt and win.
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Old Oct 03, 2010, 08:51 PM
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Done

270 Grams <9.5 ounces> AUW with a Rhino 3S610 Lipo. With 23 ounces of thrust it should carry ok.

papers say CG should be 180-185mm, it currently is near 195mm. Any thoughts to how it will react to that? I could bump up to a 3S750 Rhino or add weight. Thoughts?

GWS 8040
Spektrum AR 6100e
Hxt 14 gram Metal Gear Servos
Mag 8 10amp esc
Turnigy Red and Blue Wonder 3000Kv rewind.
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Old Oct 03, 2010, 10:01 PM
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Woah, 3000kv on an 8040 prop??? Be very careful with that. I bet she is going to pull some amps and that ESC you have on there likely won't handle that, and I doubt the motor will either. I use the 1500kv blue wonder.

As for the CG, I think you will be ok, but you might want to try a 750 if you have one.


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Old Oct 03, 2010, 10:10 PM
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Woah, 3000kv on an 8040 prop??? Be very careful with that. I bet she is going to pull some amps and that ESC you have on there likely won't handle that, and I doubt the motor will either. I use the 1500kv blue wonder.

As for the CG, I think you will be ok, but you might want to try a 750 if you have one.

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No Worry Diggs,
If you look at the close up pick of the motor, you can see the fatty wire, this motor is made for a 8X4, 23 ounces of thrust at just under 10 amps. The 3000KV motor has a good hardware set up for this wind. No worries, this motor and ESC has been on a EPP Cap I designed for over a year, very sweet set up. Whisper quiet motor.

I have several Rhino 3S750, I just hated to cut the hole bigger, trying to stay light but there is really nothing I can do other then add weight, it may as well be useful weight.
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