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Old Jul 16, 2002, 02:57 PM
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Plea bargaining

Here in the UK our dumbcluck government has managed to fill the jails despite giving most criminals at least 50 warnings not to repeat their crimes, so there's a problem coming in the future (crime rate still rising).
Apparently the notion of 'plea bargaining' has been proposed as a solution to reducing periods offenders spend in jail.
I only know what I hear and see on film and tv.
Has anyone anything useful on the subject either way?

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Old Jul 16, 2002, 03:16 PM
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very common in the US

http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/index....FF27531AF19C24
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Old Jul 16, 2002, 04:55 PM
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Plea bargaining

Thanks for that Mr M!

It seems everyone wins except for 'the people/potential victims' who want the criminals off the streets.

Governments spend less on housing and processing criminals; criminals can manipulate the system to see which way the wind's blowing and 'give in' even at a late stage to ensure a lower, negotiated sentence (isn't that a bit like asking legislators to control their own pay?); lawyers, as ever, don't lose as they can process a higher number of cases in a given time; the police can get more through the system also, often with less paperwork.

Great!

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Old Jul 16, 2002, 05:03 PM
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Re: Plea bargaining

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It seems everyone wins except for 'the people/potential victims' who want the criminals off the streets.
that is the downfall.
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Old Jul 16, 2002, 06:04 PM
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"plea bargaining" is a crutch that lets the prosecutor notch up a conviction. That's about all it's good for.
"immunity from prosecution" is another crutch that
disables true justice.
Not that either side -is- interested in finding guilt or innocence. Getting a conviction by any means, getting the guilty off by any means.. that's the system we have.
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Old Jul 16, 2002, 07:52 PM
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Old Jul 16, 2002, 08:01 PM
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Re: Plea bargaining

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Has anyone anything useful on the subject either way?
The only sure way to reduce crime is by tough prosucution and an armed populace. But that's an argument for another thread.

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Old Jul 16, 2002, 08:07 PM
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I see a movie deal in the makings.
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Old Jul 17, 2002, 02:57 AM
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Re: Re: Plea bargaining

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The only sure way to reduce crime is by tough prosucution and an armed populace. But that's an argument for another thread.

Daren
Or for people to be educated from infancy to be active, useful and responsible members of society with a respect for the rule of law and this respect being demonstrated from those at the very top downwards.
Maybe Utopian as there'll always be a criminal element, but while everyone can see others profiting from legalised fraud, or at least with the new "Draconian" measures, having to spend a max of 10 years in gaol for swindling billions, it's going to be hard to convince the next generation.
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