Lozenge Decal's

[CCURRAN]

Hello,all.I was wondering if anybody knows where i could find"scale"lozenge decals,for a 32 " wingspan?However ,a good referance picture would work.If anyone could help me,I would greatly appreciate it .Thank you all.chris

[PETERRAKE]

Chris,
It is highly unlikely that you'll find lozenge decals for anything other than small plastic kits. On anything bigger, they just aren't practical. Especially on fabric (tissue) covered surfaces that will be constantly flexing.
However, there are one or two other points that would be required for a pictorial sample. What type of lozenge was used depends on the nationality of the aircraft, and on what type of aircraft. German lozenge, for example was different to Austrian lozenge, while the upper and lower surfaces used different colour combinations.
If you were planning to dope the covering, I know of a fairly simple method of producing lozenge effect covering, but it needs to be done before the model is covered. Otherwise, it looks as if you're going to have to paint it onto the model.

Pete

[Jim Drissell]

Chris,

Let us know what type of plane you're working on. As Peter said, there are different types of lozenge depending on nationality and plane type.

One method is to print lozenge on tissue using a computer. I've been experimenting with this method and it works good, although the colors aren't as intense since the tissue is somewhat transparent. I would like to find a more opaque tissue or covering that is still light in weight to print on, but I haven't got that far yet.

I really like the looks of german lozenge patterns and plan on building a plane with lozenge someday. Until then I enjoy photos of such planes.

Jim

[CCURRAN]

Thanks' guy's.I'm working on an albatross d5 parkflier.That's why I'm looking for lozenge Decals''upper and lower pattern'.I'm dissatisfied with the camo that the kit is supplied with.My plan is to download a'high quality' picture and print it on decal paper.Thank you again for all your assistance.Cheers' chris

[Rod]

Way back in my young and foolish days, I built a Fokker D- VII, and decided to cover it with a Lozenge pattern. The D-VII was powered with a .61 glow engine and had a 50 (something)" wing span. I got a copy of the pattern from a photograph, and cut out 4 individual pattern sheets from a waxed pattern paper, ( each sheet corresponded to a particular colour of lozenge). I then sprayed each colour using the corresponding pattern sheet for that colour on a sheet of Coverite. After I had sprayed the four different colours with their respective patterns, I had a complete Lozenge sheet. I repeated the pattern across the Coverite to the same scale as the model. A lot of work, but the results were quite good. I oversprayed the whole model with a clear fuel proof finish. I finished the model in two distinct colours -- the underneath side being a lighter colour combinatio than te Upper surface.
The model is now in the Western Canada Air Museum.
The same idea could be applied to any material using the appropriate scale.

[PETERRAKE]

Chris,
In that case, your best bet might be to obtain one of the plastic kit lozenge decals, scan it, scale it and print it onto your decal sheet. It would probably work best if you did it as one section of lozenge - the pattern simply repeats itself - and apply as strips of fabric, as per the original aircraft. Different coloured rib tapes will hide the joins.

However, bearing in mind that this is a slow flier, you may find you've added an awful lot of weight.

Pete

[Jim Drissell]

A question:

is this a foam wing or balsa frame? It could make a difference in the method you use. Are you looking to do the wings and fusalage?

I believe the D-V used five color lozenge. This is what I was thinking of trying someday. Go to www.arizonamodels.com/coverings.htm# . They are very nice to have free downloads for different lozenge patterns and many WWI insignias. The five color lozenge pattern is correct but some of the colors looked off, could be my computer or printer, I don't know. Anyways, I have found two good sources for accurate colors. The best is www.avcloth.com/pages/lozenge.html . They make full size lozenge for aircraft and have several small pictures of their fabric. The other is Pegasus Models, they make decals and have a couple of pages on lozenge and another company that is making fabric for real planes. Unfortunately, I couldn't get their website to come up.

I have downloaded the lozenge from Arizona Models (as long as your at their website, check out their models and accessories, they're beautiful!) and resized it on my computer. I then downloaded the fabric pictures from Avcloth and used those colors on the Arizona lozenge, then printed the result on tissue. The colors look good, I just want to find a more opaque covering to use. Maybe a similar method could work for you.

Arizona Models also has a CD available with 1/12 lozenge on it. 32" wingspan is really close to 1/12.

Hope this helps, Jim

[Majortomski]

By posting the Airizona cd lozenge in to word as a picture you can scale it to any size you want. I've done it on a peanut D-VIII somewhere here on the list

[Majortomski]

Ahh here it is
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...hlight=lozenge

[CCURRAN]

Thank's for all the help,you guy's are great.I'm going to apply these decals on a foam wing.It should work fine.Cheer's chris

[Jim Drissell]

If you need ideas for a color design, go to the following website:

http://pilots-n-planes-ww1.com/index.htm

Click on the virtual art museum, then aircraft profiles. There are many color Albatross drawings there from Mark Miller, though I don't know what type they are. His Art Exhibits also have many Albatross paintings. Fun to look at.

Jim