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Old Sep 27, 2010, 07:43 AM
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Mr. Lin of GWS responded to my question about a rumor that GWS was stopping production of older designs.

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It's a rumour. Most of GWS airplanes are still in line, the only one thing special would be EPO material. Boss told me that most of these airplanes will be in EPO gradually but the Beaver's wing and the wings of all Pico birds will be in the same material as what they were moulded. While their fuselages will be in EPO only.

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Thanks for your quick reply and for putting the rumor to rest. I look forward to new GWS products as the economy improves.
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 09:22 AM
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Thanks Pat for posting that... I really love these birds and would hate to know we were loosing them.

I'll pass this along to the TM400 thread where the rumor started I think....

I've nearly got my replacement Pico Moth ready... My old one is still in the tree...
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
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Yipeee! Thats really good news!!! Thanks for the update Pat!!!
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 10:37 AM
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Heavier GWS Birds?

I read on another thread that the wings on some of the GWS birds are thicker than they were on earlier production runs. I know this is true for the tail surfaces of the J-3. Yes, thicker material makes stronger parts, but that also drives the weight up, so that flying these indoors is not quite as easy. Furthermore, a heavier airplane may need more power, which means a bigger motor, a bigger battery, and more weight,...

Can anyone verify this?

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Old Sep 27, 2010, 10:59 AM
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The wings and tail pieces are a bit thicker and add a few grams of weight, but I couldn't detect any significant change in flying characteristics and it flew just fine with the same little outrunner motor and 2 cell lipo. I don't see the thicker wing as a problem.
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 11:09 AM
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The wings and tail pieces are a bit thicker and add a few grams of weight, but I couldn't detect any significant change in flying characteristics and it flew just fine with the same little outrunner motor and 2 cell lipo. I don't see the thicker wing as a problem.
+1

From what I have read, I agree with Pat - the new thicker wings do not really adversely affect flying to a noticeable degree. These TM's can actually stand quite a bit more weight than they weigh when when first built, and they still do fine with the IPS power plant.

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Old Sep 27, 2010, 11:10 AM
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The wings and tail pieces are a bit thicker and add a few grams of weight, but I couldn't detect any significant change in flying characteristics and it flew just fine with the same little outrunner motor and 2 cell lipo. I don't see the thicker wing as a problem.
Pat,

Thanks for putting that to rest. I guess it was just Tower Hobbies that was selling out of them. Whew!

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Old Sep 27, 2010, 02:45 PM
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My supplier still has stock of the good 'ol Pico!

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Old Sep 27, 2010, 06:48 PM
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maybe tower is just discontinuing that model NUMBER in preparation of the ones with the EPO fuse?
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Old Sep 28, 2010, 08:43 PM
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Tower lists the EPO planes, so they are on their way...some site has sold EPO GWS airplanes for well over a year...here it is:
http://www.caliberhobby.com/gwst6_kits.html
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 08:51 AM
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Tower some how forgot to send my nps pico moth from laborday sale. Said they were sorry and product was discontinued.
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 10:28 AM
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What a POS!

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A few weeks ago, I found this PTM sitting in the trash at one of the local flying fields during a swap meet. Overall, it was in pretty good shape and just needed some TLC. After skimming through this thread for many nights, I decided to keep her somewhat stock except for mounting a 370 size brushless motor, adding flying wires (dental floss) and a home made tail wheel.

Having built several scratchbuilts using 6mm depron, I epoxied two sheets with ply to make the motor mount which fit perfectly inside the cowl. To help reinforce the wing struts, I glued on some straw-type swizzle sticks. Rather than painting the white cowl and wing struts, I opted to use a blue permanent ink Sharpie. I also used black & brown Sharpies to color the inside canopies. Thanks to ArcherAce from MAE for providing me the pilots and instrument panels.

Most of my components are from salvaged planes I've had:

Brushless Motor (370 size): A2208-17 1100Kv
ESC: 20A
Prop: 9 x 4.7 SF
Lipo: 2S 1250 mAh 7.4v
Servos: 2 Unknown 6g from SkyFly2
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Tomorrow is the maiden!
Recycle, recycle, recycle. You liberals are all the same .......Nice plane. I saw it in the trash, glad you grabbed it. I thought about it and then did not want another project. You did a great job on it. It should be an easy fly (I may not be there to maiden it for you unless you go to Apollo or wait for Pegasus to open). Finally you have a “proper” by-plane. Is a 2s enough power? 1100KV with that prop in my book is gutless. I’d consider going to a 9 X 3.8 and a 3s.
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 11:30 AM
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My supplier still has stock of the good 'ol Pico!

Corey
Who's your supplier? I want another one of these.
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 12:41 PM
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Old Sep 29, 2010, 01:43 PM
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Tower some how forgot to send my nps pico moth from laborday sale. Said they were sorry and product was discontinued.
They still had some when I checked....and started all of this chaos!

There were also two slope glider Moths left.

It could well be that Tower is going to discontinue THEIR stock of Moths.
If Corey can still get them to stock his store... just order one from him.

LOL.... I still remember the first time Corey flew....and now he owns a hobby shop! Really good to see your posts here, Corey.

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