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Old Aug 20, 2008, 04:06 PM
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Henry,

Your GWS pico (Version #2) Tiger Moth flys very well indeed.

I will try to tag up this coming weekend, assuming weather permits but, somehow I think it will not.

Enjoy the little one as much as you can when they are this small....when they become teenagers well......that's another story!
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Old Aug 21, 2008, 05:52 AM
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Thanks for the kind words Carlos. I hope to see you at Legacy this Sunday, although not certain if they will kick us out per what I heard at Bob's regarding Kyle being escorted off the property with his glow heli.
I am enjoying the little one tremendously, God has truly blessed me. Yesterday, she was afraid of the rain, the noise would scare her, and she had 'papitis'. Yes, I know, when she is a teenager, she will not want to hang out with dad, probably lose her for a time, until she grow's up! Cest la vie. Take care Carlos, and drive safe. I am the only one at work today in all of Disney at the disc building!


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Henry,

Your GWS pico (Version #2) Tiger Moth flys very well indeed.

I will try to tag up this coming weekend, assuming weather permits but, somehow I think it will not.

Enjoy the little one as much as you can when they are this small....when they become teenagers well......that's another story!
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Old Aug 21, 2008, 05:57 AM
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Well, we see these guys all the time right before a storm, trying kite boarding or kite surfing or whatever thrill they can get. I've always thought they were pretty stupid to be honest. I love to dive, fish, boat, hike etc. but you don't catch me out in a storm looking to get bigger and better thrills, it's dangerous enough at normal times, let alone pre storm or during storm. Maybe, he'll learn a lesson. I hope he's ok though, and doesn't suffer permanent damage.

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He was mechanically attached to the kite and could not get the releases undone in time. The wind really picked him up a little unexpectedly and VERY quickly. I'm sure it's on Youtube, but not fun to watch...

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Old Aug 21, 2008, 04:31 PM
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I'm sure it's been mentioned previously, but as I had trouble locating a tailwheel that I felt suited the plane I'm going to post this up anyway. I wasn't looking necessarily for something steerable, but more of a scale looking fixed position tailwheel. I happened to stumble across this little dubro tailwheel which seemed like it would suit my needs. Got my order this afternoon and fixed it to the plane and sliced off that ugly horn tail skid. This thing is really great and the plane just feels so much smoother when taxiing. I also had problems landing on pavement with the skid as it would tend to bounce and grind very badly, this fixes that for good . Not to mention it adds a great scale appearance. You have to buy the wheels seperately, and I wen't with the 1/2". Can't beat the functionality and look for about $3.00

Du-Bro Micro Tail wheel bracket: Cat no. 854
1/2" Micro Tail Wheels w/ Retainers: Cat no. 12MTW

I didn't really check any other sites, but I got my set from bphobbies:
http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V271672

Hope this helps anyone who had trouble finding a nice tailwheel for their ptm like myself.

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Old Aug 21, 2008, 04:37 PM
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Hi Zero

I did the same with my Last two moths....the new one has a steerable...makes an even bigger difference

but I "do" by mine with the tailwheel as part of the set....gottem from LHS so I do not know what the DuBro # is...but I do know they last for a long time...and not for ever...i get the 2 wheel replacement pack and it comes with 6 keepers!

Chuck
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Old Aug 21, 2008, 06:40 PM
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Just a quick post to show my PICO TM.
AUW is 9.56oz.
IPS motor with a Thunder Power 480mAH/7.4V Lipoly battery; Pixie 20A brushed ESC; HS-55 servos using the kit push rods for elevators and rudders; Rx radio is a Berg 4L (I've got a Feigao brushless motor on order to replace the GWS kit motor).
Guy wires are ship model rigging thread.
Interplane struts are screwed into small plastic tabs that were epoxied into the lower wing slots.
I used a scrap piece of strut plastic to make a guy wire keeper that's glued across the fuselage wing saddle. (This allows me to unscrew the interplane struts, remove the rubber bands, and take the lower wing off.)
Modified to landing gear by adding CF tubing along the vertical slots and soldered a foward brace at the axle joint; added brass tube axle extensions and foam wheels.
Added a steerable micro tail wheel assmebly from Wattage.
The registrations numbers and pin stripe on the fuselage sides are Nelson LiteFilm applied over the Poly Scale paint using a detail heating iron on low power. It worked better than I thought it would and seems able to tolerate my rough handling.
The upper wing letters were sprayed on using the copy paper cut-outs left over from cuting out the CoverRite trim film; sprayed the back with 3M adhesive and pressed onto the upper wing. They needed a little touching up along a few edges where the paper lifted slightly. I used CoverRite trim film to make the lower wing registration letters. The film tends to want to "bridge" over the valleys in the foam, so I thought I'd just apply a little thin CA to seal the edges - don't do it! The foam safe CA attacks the CoverRite film! Canopy glue would have been a better choice. I picked red for the lower letters so I'd be better able to see her orientation on a roll: blue - top; red - bottom.

I'll fly the maiden tonight, if the winds die down a bit more this evening at the flying field.
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Old Aug 21, 2008, 06:49 PM
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'Moth tips...

Nice looking 'Moths fellas,I think I'll use both those ideas on my next 'Moth,especially screwing the struts to plastic tabs on the wings,much better than just a glue bond.Blue/Silver makes a great scale appearance.Good luck on the maiden..!!
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Old Aug 21, 2008, 07:17 PM
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Skypileit, Thanks for the compliments. It was a fun build. I added two pictures to illustrate the plastic hold-down tabs for the lower wing. I had some scrap plastic from my TM400. It was slightly thicker than the strut plastic scrap from the Pico Moth; but the Pico material would work too. Just remember to cut the tabs long enough to drill a pilot hole through them after they're glued in place. I scuffed them up with sandpaper before gluing them with 6-minute, two-part epoxy. I cut the small extension tabs off the ends of the struts; marked where I wanted the pilot holes; drilled the struts, and then held them against the tabs to mark the location for the pilot holes in the tabs.

Don't forget to drill holes for the rigging wires before you screw the struts in place.

Photo #04 shows the modification to the landing gear and the plastic keeper for the rigging wires that was glued across the wing saddle. For the landing gear forward brace I glued a small piece of 1/32" plywood to the bottom of the fuselage, then glued two strips of 1/16" basswood with a slot between them for the landing gear wire; and then screwed a small piece of metal sheet to hold the gear wire in the slot. For the rigging wire keeper I used a piece of the scrap strut plastic, rounded off the ends, drilled holes for the rigging wire and glued it into shallow notches in the fuselage wing saddle with epoxy glue. Scuff up the plastic before you glue it in place.
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Just a quick post to show my PICO TM.
AUW is 9.56oz.
IPS motor with a Thunder Power 480mAH/7.4V Lipoly battery; Pixie 10A brushed ESC; HS-55 servos using the kit push rods for elevators and rudders; Rx radio is a Berg 4L (I've got a Feigao brushless motor on order to replace the GWS kit motor).
Guy wires are ship model rigging thread.
Interplane struts are screwed into small plastic tabs that were epoxied into the lower wing slots.
I used a scrap piece of strut plastic to make a guy wire keeper that's glued across the fuselage wing saddle. (This allows me to unscrew the interplane struts, remove the rubber bands, and take the lower wing off.)
Modified to landing gear by adding CF tubing along the vertical slots and soldered a foward brace at the axle joint; added brass tube axle extensions and foam wheels.
Added a steerable micro tail wheel assmebly from Wattage.
The registrations numbers and pin stripe on the fuselage sides are Nelson LiteFilm applied over the Poly Scale paint using a detail heating iron on low power. It worked better than I thought it would and seems able to tolerate my rough handling.
The upper wing letters were sprayed on using the copy paper cut-outs left over from cuting out the CoverRite trim film; sprayed the back with 3M adhesive and pressed onto the upper wing. They needed a little touching up along a few edges where the paper lifted slightly. I used CoverRite trim film to make the lower wing registration letters. The film tends to want to "bridge" over the valleys in the foam, so I thought I'd just apply a little thin CA to seal the edges - don't do it! The foam safe CA attacks the CoverRite film! Canopy glue would have been a better choice. I picked red for the lower letters so I'd be better able to see her orientation on a roll: blue - top; red - bottom.

I'll fly the maiden tonight, if the winds die down a bit more this evening at the flying field.
That is a VERY sweeeeet looking TM - VERY nice job!!

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Old Aug 21, 2008, 09:52 PM
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Good Job JugJock, looks sweet

your gonna love the Fiegao

Welcome to the TM Squadron, happy maiden

Don't forget to get some "In the Air pics"

Chuck
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Old Aug 22, 2008, 12:02 AM
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Aeronca - Thank you for the thumbs up! I wish she flew as good as she looks in the photos. Hopefully, a new motor will give her a bit more air speed and lift.

Airwarriorbelgy - Hello Chuck! Thanks for the kind words and initiation into the Basketcase Memorial Pico Moth Squadron. Wherever he is, I'm sure he's chuckling over my two "flights" this evening. She's a real dog. Fortunately, no serious damage, only a little scuffing to the lower wing tips and chin of the cowling. I'll post a short video here this weekend after I get the splicing and editing done.

Here's the "maiden flight" (terms used loosely):

2008-08-21 PICO Tiger Moth Maiden Flight (1 min 9 sec)
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Old Aug 22, 2008, 03:33 AM
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Jugjock,
Fantastic pTM you have there ! A true beauty. Welcome to the squad.

A bit on the heavy side though. The lighter the better,
preferably around or below 230grams/8ounces.
But it will fly at 270grams/9.5ounces, just not quite as slow as a light pTM.
You might consider lighter Rx/Servos/ESC and motor.

Mine has matured and gained weight to 230grams and is not quite the floater it was at 200grams as a virgin. Paint, repairs and detailing costs weight.
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Old Aug 22, 2008, 06:31 AM
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Well, good news, I got 4 900 MAH lipos 2s1p from someone in HK on ebay yesterday. I have charged 2 and will do the others tonight. Unfortunately, we're in the midst of tropical storm Faye here in Orlando, so may likely not get a chance to fly her this weekend as I had hoped. Winds were gusting in the 30 mph range yesterday. A bit much for the TM. LOL
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Old Aug 22, 2008, 10:44 AM
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Well, good news, I got 4 900 MAH lipos 2s1p from someone in HK on ebay yesterday. I have charged 2 and will do the others tonight. Unfortunately, we're in the midst of tropical storm Faye here in Orlando, so may likely not get a chance to fly her this weekend as I had hoped. Winds were gusting in the 30 mph range yesterday. A bit much for the TM. LOL
Seems like the edge may be affecting us up here in georgia. I had plans to fly this weekend, but the winds right now would most likely rip the moth's wings off.
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Old Aug 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
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Aeronca - Thank you for the thumbs up! I wish she flew as good as she looks in the photos. Hopefully, a new motor will give her a bit more air speed and lift.

Airwarriorbelgy - Hello Chuck! Thanks for the kind words and initiation into the Basketcase Memorial Pico Moth Squadron. Wherever he is, I'm sure he's chuckling over my two "flights" this evening. She's a real dog. Fortunately, no serious damage, only a little scuffing to the lower wing tips and chin of the cowling. I'll post a short video here this weekend after I get the splicing and editing done.

Here's the "maiden flight" (terms used loosely): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU9dShLGW1c
Hi Chris,

you'll get taxiing down soon enough....from the looks of it you were overcompensating....just throttle up slow and bump in a little right rudder to counter the motor torque...as for Hand launch.....throw it straight out like a dart...not up. Ouch!!!

Moth 1 of my wing (the green and yellow one with floats on it) still flew at 10.6 oz on the IPS motor and Stock "A" gearing...but it as a fatty for sure

go try again and remember she must fly on the wing not the motor which equals = Airspeed...stall her and she'll.....well you already know

Chuck
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