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Old May 05, 2006, 03:41 PM
Forever WTTM Pilot #7
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Crash with injuries!

Ok, I'm going to tell you something and you must promise not to laugh. You all know me well enough to know that I have my own little raincloud on top of my head, and if something odd is going to happen..... it's going to happen to me!

This all your fault!


So, I got one of the Aero Aces at Wal Mart. Weird looking little thing. I got it ready to fly and took it to my living room which is huge and has 10 ft. ceilings that go up at an angle to 16ft. Plenty of room! So, I gave it a toss, and it flew out about 5 ft, did a perfect U turn and came back and hit me directly in the left eye! DAYUM! DAAAAAYUMMM, that hurt!! I don't think I touched anything on the Tx. It's like, one motor shut off and whipped it right around.

STOP LAUGHING!

I think I'll take it back with a black eye and exchange it! Nah, it's not that bad... but I am going to return it. But the first time I fly the next one, I'm going to put on my mask and snorkle!
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Old May 05, 2006, 04:59 PM
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did you try the trim adjustment on the tx?
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Old May 05, 2006, 06:08 PM
I even seen a house fly!
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Oh my! Poor Buzz!

Ya, the trim knob might be your problem there. I doubt the inside motor shut off entirely as I'm fairly certain these things won't stay aloft on one motor.

I showed my buddy John some links about AAs and then took the subway over to his place after work and talked him into going to Toys R Us and picking one up for himself! Was rather stupidly windy in the Toys R Us parking lot (which I usually only make the call after trying to fly in it :P) but now we're set! He's got one! Dogfight city!

Sunday Jess and I are going for a picnic with him and his family, and we're bringing the moths (and AAs!) along, so there should be some pictures involved! ^_~

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Old May 05, 2006, 08:25 PM
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Ok, I'm going to tell you something and you must promise not to laugh. You all know me well enough to know that I have my own little raincloud on top of my head, and if something odd is going to happen..... it's going to happen to me!

This all your fault!


So, I got one of the Aero Aces at Wal Mart. Weird looking little thing. I got it ready to fly and took it to my living room which is huge and has 10 ft. ceilings that go up at an angle to 16ft. Plenty of room! So, I gave it a toss, and it flew out about 5 ft, did a perfect U turn and came back and hit me directly in the left eye! DAYUM! DAAAAAYUMMM, that hurt!! I don't think I touched anything on the Tx. It's like, one motor shut off and whipped it right around.

STOP LAUGHING!

I think I'll take it back with a black eye and exchange it! Nah, it's not that bad... but I am going to return it. But the first time I fly the next one, I'm going to put on my mask and snorkle!
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Im laughing hard as hell

...Keith...
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Old May 05, 2006, 08:54 PM
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Will Kitty be in any of these pics? Inquiring minds wanna kniow.....
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Old May 06, 2006, 02:53 AM
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Pico Tiger Moth kit with 350C Upgrade

I just purchased a Pico Tiger Moth kit with a EPS-350C upgrade package. The instructions come with an insert showing how to cut the fuselage for a 10mm stick, stregthen the elevator, wing, and how setup dual ailerons. 4 servos are required: 1 elevator , 1 rudder, 2 for ailerons.

Is the power upgrade desired? I have a 280 motor with a 5030 prop that should work, will this work? Just looking for some guidance before I start my build, is their a good build thread somewhere in parts 1-29?

My desire is to have a nice flying plane. The 350C seems like putting a 454 in a chevette.


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Old May 06, 2006, 10:28 AM
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A brushless motor is a better way to go. Way better power to weight. A dyi cd rom is easy enough to do, and nice because without the gear box the plane is very quiet. Or a feigao, that brand has motors the go right in the GWS ips gear box. And of course there is the GWS brushless stuff, which I have no experience with.

The main thing is to stay lite so you can still go slow.
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Old May 06, 2006, 11:49 AM
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23LbBass, I'll probably get some more heat for saying this (again), but I totally agree with your analogy about the 454 in a chevette. It mostly depends on what you want out of your moth. The Pico TM is one of the most loved planes, mostly in it's IPS or CDrom powered forms, and a few people like it with the bigger motors. IMHO anything more powerful or heavier than the CDrom motor takes away the best feature of the little moth, which is the slow easy relaxing flight. I'd also recommend skipping the ailerons unless you go with the 350, most find they do not work well at the slow speeds a lightweight moth likes to fly.

What rab said, "stay lite so you can still go slow"

A lot of people have tried the direct drive 280 and I can't remember anyone who reported good results.

The best setup is a CDrom size brushless, or the Feigao brushless in the IPS gearbox, if you don't want to go brushless the next best thing is the stock IPS with A ratio gearbox and 9x7" prop.

Here's a build thread about my second Pico Moth showing the mods I used:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=59561

There is a link to a .pdf file on How to Build the GWS Tigermoth in this post by Archer Ace:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...78&postcount=1

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Old May 06, 2006, 02:55 PM
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HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Im laughing hard as hell

...Keith...
I figured you'd be the one to find it funny!

OK, I played with it a bit more.... and I can't find anything wrong with the plane at all. This leads me to believe I did this to myself. I must have been mashing on the TX the first time. And, my worst fears have been realized. I had it up about 40 ft standing in my front yard. My Tiger Moth still won't go higher than 25ft. From now on all of my R/C planes are coming from Wal Mart! This is the second one I've bought at Wal Mart (Power Air Surfer).... I can speck that one out every time I fly it. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this little Aero Ace specked out either. Of course, with an 8" wingspan... that wouldn't bee too high. The Tiger Moth will have to be refitted with a brushless motor and lipoly's. It's been fun joking about it, but it wants to go higher.... and I can't stand crop dusting any more.. I thought it was too heavy at 11oz..... but then I see Kitty post on here about having a moth that weighs several ounces more and her's flies fine.
I think she has an outrunner ..... W/lipoly's... I'm tired of doing the NIMH thing.... so I think it's time to convert everything when I can find the time.
It's just not going to fly right with the stock motor.

One other thing. The only experience I have with lipoly's is from flying heli's.
My Co Co Lama2 heli runs two big motors on a 2s 800mah lipo, and I get about 12 minutes out of them. Can I use these same lipo's for the TM? Will the stock ESC fry? I was actually thinking about putting about 9 volts through it with Nicads. (?) I could skywrite with the smoke.
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Old May 07, 2006, 12:50 AM
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Actually Buzz, my fat black 13oz moth was powered by a 350C driving a 9070 prop and 8cell 1200mAH NiMH! I would get it so high I would have to bank it such that the sun would make the red undersides flash so I could figure out with way it was pointed!

My orange moth weighs in at 8.5oz AUW with an 18 turn homemade CDR driving a 7X3.5 prop on a 3S 1000mAH LiPo (I'm gonna be picking up some 650mAH packs to lighten it up a bit) and I can spec out that too.

Both aircraft have basswood interwing struts, black nylon fishing line flying wires, 1.74" DuBro superlite foam wheels, beefed up LG and shorty antennas. The black moth has a strip of fiberglass cloth polycrylic'ed to the bottom of the lower wing, and the orange moth uses 1mm CF rods for pushrods. My CDR powered moth uses a CC Phoenix-10 ESC and the 350C powered moth is actually still using it's original 5A GWS ESC despite both aircraft powered as they are puling about 6A WOT with no problems.

Your 25' ceiling really is starting to sound like a power issue to me Buzz... :\

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Old May 07, 2006, 04:43 AM
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I've gone and done it now.
Well, my mother has. I've arrived home from the LHS, with buckets of gear, and a new plane. A really little fella this time, a FlyZone(Attached to Hobbico I understand) Spitfire. I'd guess around a 18' wingspan, all dolled up in camo colours. Trick is, it's a free flight, but instructions provided by Hobbico show how to convert the little guy to RC, and suprisingly, my mother has volunteered to do all the work on it. I smell retirement :P

Same trip also yeilded a new battery for the Tiger Moth, a 1020mAh 2S by ST Model RC. Barely heavier than the Kokam 700 2S that it replaces, I should get a day out of it. The key word being should, as the old motor in the TM is getting a bit frazzled, having been in opperation for at least two years, and surviving several dozen dumb crashes, nose-overs and other clever tricks masterminded by this mug with the keyboard. It needed fully throttle to keep aloft with the 700, so I may need to invest in a new 280 motor. Brushless would be great, but on the plane that's pretty well my basher/indoor plane, it's a bit exessive. The Mk.2 should get one though.

I also got a pair of recievers, one to replace one that I destroyed in a fit of clumsiness, and the other for a shiny new glider, and seven IB2000 AA size batteries for an old-timer conversion.
I do ok sometimes :P
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Old May 07, 2006, 08:41 AM
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Your 25' ceiling really is starting to sound like a power issue to me Buzz... :\

K
I believe you're right, Kitty. I believe I'll look into a brushless... maybe a feigo (sp?) or something would do it. The thing that baffles me is that it has enough power to do two consecutive loops... but not enough to climb higher than I can throw a stick.
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Old May 07, 2006, 09:48 AM
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There is a link to a .pdf file on How to Build the GWS Tigermoth in this post by Archer Ace:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...78&postcount=1
BC
Wayne: Thanks for the link. Nice to have such a document in my "Tiger Moth Related folder"!

It has probably already been covered or discussed, but does anyone have information on a comparison of the Medusa 12mm brushless motor, versus the Feigao 12mm brushless motor, when intalled in the Pico Tiger Moth? I have two Feigao's on the shelf, one slated for Tiger Moth #2, and the other one reserved for the Graupner Mosquito project. I am tempted to pick up a Medusa and possibly do some direct comparison work, once the TM #2 project gets started. However, it would be nice to see the results of other peoples research.

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Old May 07, 2006, 09:50 AM
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....but not enough to climb higher than I can throw a stick.
Maybe you should try to throw the stick a little higher!!

OK, go ahead and shoot me! Please!!! Put me out of my misery!!

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Old May 10, 2006, 04:20 PM
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Buzz -

NO, NO, NO!!! You must continue with the 25' TM! No changes allowed to brushless power! Jeeze, who are we going to get on if YOURS gets over 25' - have a heart!

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