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Old Jun 08, 2006, 03:49 PM
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Buzz,
You are a wealth of commical stories. Hard to believe you're still in one piece!

Doug,
That sure is a neat toy you have there... It would make a great xmas gift if I can get my parents to grab one.

Corey
Well, I guess it has to happen to someone. I don't know how I was elected to be a buffoon. I'm the life of the party though! People seem to find my misfortunes to be hilarious. (Why was I the only one to step in Camel crap at the zoo? We had to tie my shoe to the back bumper. Everyone thought it was hilarious. But when we stopped for lunch, I had to go in the restaurant with one shoe on! Have you ever smelled camel crap? OMG!
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Old Jun 08, 2006, 04:49 PM
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Have you ever smelled camel crap? OMG!
A couple of years in Saudi Arabia and I got used to the smell! You ever seen 2 Camels in the back of a Datsun Pickup. Common sight around Riyadh!
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Old Jun 08, 2006, 05:01 PM
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Why is the location of the sensor so critical? 813ft?
The location is critical so as to allow a good blocking of suitable light intensity when you wag your finger over the LED. Apparently, the LED does double duty, one blinking on and off to indicate the altimeter is "on" as well as flashing back the altitude (flash, flash, etc.). The second duty is serving as a light sensor such that a clearly defined shadow passing over the LED 4 times will trigger the circuity to "read back" the altitude. It is recommended the LED be pointed up, from within the fuselage or possible straight down thru the fuselage. In this manner, you can aim the LED towards the sky and do the finger wag thing, when there is direct overhead sun. (flip the plane upside down if the LED is out the bottom of the plane) My location of having the LED out the side of the plane makes it a bit hard to really get a clear line of site to a bright light source as well as wagging a finger at it. I may relocate the device so the LED is pointing straight up thru the top of the fuselage. Will post a photo if this works out.

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You'll be able to go over 1000 easy.
I think 1000 feet will be the limit for me, more due to eyesight than the plane's ability to do it. Also, I believe I am pushing the limit for the GWS Naro 6 receiver. I must say, I am most impressed with this receiver.

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Have you ever smelled camel crap? OMG!
No, but I recall that cigarette ad from many years ago:

"I tried Camels for 30 days................then went back to my wife! "

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Old Jun 09, 2006, 10:28 AM
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The location is critical so as to allow a good blocking of suitable light intensity when you wag your finger over the LED. Apparently, the LED does double duty, one blinking on and off to indicate the altimeter is "on" as well as flashing back the altitude (flash, flash, etc.). The second duty is serving as a light sensor such that a clearly defined shadow passing over the LED 4 times will trigger the circuity to "read back" the altitude. It is recommended the LED be pointed up, from within the fuselage or possible straight down thru the fuselage. In this manner, you can aim the LED towards the sky and do the finger wag thing, when there is direct overhead sun. (flip the plane upside down if the LED is out the bottom of the plane) My location of having the LED out the side of the plane makes it a bit hard to really get a clear line of site to a bright light source as well as wagging a finger at it. I may relocate the device so the LED is pointing straight up thru the top of the fuselage. Will post a photo if this works out.


I think 1000 feet will be the limit for me, more due to eyesight than the plane's ability to do it. Also, I believe I am pushing the limit for the GWS Naro 6 receiver. I must say, I am most impressed with this receiver.


No, but I recall that cigarette ad from many years ago:

"I tried Camels for 30 days................then went back to my wife! "

RD
"I tried Camels for 30 days................then went back to my wife! "
LMAO!!! So, why can't you just turn the plane on it's side to point the LED toward the sun?
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Old Jun 09, 2006, 11:58 AM
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So, why can't you just turn the plane on it's side to point the LED toward the sun?
You can, and that's what is recommended if you locate the LED/sensor out the side or bottom of the plane. Apparently, the greater the contrast of bright light to shadow from your finger passing over the LED, the quicker the tripping of the read back. I just took the Moth down from its perch and went out into bright sunlight. Turning the plane on its side, thus pointing the LED directly into the sun - and then doing the finger wag, the read back was almost immediate. Using my special hi-tech Finger Do-thwangie, the tripping is even better. I think the more clearly defined shadow and darkness of the Do-Thwangie helps the sensor determining the wave action.

So, I still may relocate the sensor, knowing I will be flying in early dusk conditions. Once neat thing I discovered: the altimeter remembered its last reading, and flashed back the 813 reading. I understand that as the altimeter senses a change in height, it will auto-reset. Whatever the case, the device is really neat, very small, and incredibly light in weight. Absolutely no problem for my Moth (with stock IPS, "A" gearing, and a 2S1P 1320 pack) to carry. When my new digital camera arrives, I will try to make a short video of the device flashing normally and also the read back of altitude value.

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Old Jun 09, 2006, 02:58 PM
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You can, and that's what is recommended if you locate the LED/sensor out the side or bottom of the plane. Apparently, the greater the contrast of bright light to shadow from your finger passing over the LED, the quicker the tripping of the read back. I just took the Moth down from its perch and went out into bright sunlight. Turning the plane on its side, thus pointing the LED directly into the sun - and then doing the finger way, the read back was almost immediate. Using my special hi-tech Finger Do-thwangie, the tripping is even better. I think the more clearly defined shadow and darkness of the Do-Thwangie helps the sensor determining the wave action.

So, I still may relocate the sensor, knowing I will be flying in early dusk conditions. Once neat thing I discovered: the altimeter remembered its last reading, and flashed back the 813 reading. I understand that as the altimeter senses a change in height, it will auto-reset. Whatever the case, the device is really neat, very small, and incredibly light in weight. Absolutely no problem for my Moth (with stock IPS, A gearing, and a 2S1P 1320 pack) to carry. When my new digital camera arrives, I will try to make a short video of the device flashing normally and also the read back of altitude value.

RD
So, to get this thing to flash back the altitude, you need to steal one of those ear examination fittings?

What would you do if you flew it at night? I guess you could shine a flashlight on the LED so it would see the the Finger-do-thwangy waving in front of it? From what you say, it needs a well defined dark object to pass in front of it.
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Old Jun 09, 2006, 03:11 PM
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Instead of waving your hand in front of a flashlight, couldn't you just flash the flashlight at it four times? o.0

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Old Jun 09, 2006, 03:33 PM
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Instead of waving your hand in front of a flashlight, couldn't you just flash the flashlight at it four times? o.0

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Hey! That would work at night! Each time you turned the light off it would sense darkness, like someone's "Do whatchajig" does. Wouldn't work in the daylight though. Not a bad idea, Kitty!!
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Old Jun 09, 2006, 04:03 PM
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So, to get this thing to flash back the altitude, you need to steal one of those ear examination fittings?

What would you do if you flew it at night? I guess you could shine a flashlight on the LED so it would see the the Finger-do-thwangy waving in front of it? From what you say, it needs a well defined dark object to pass in front of it.
Dang, you are right on! I never stated what the Do-Thwangie really was, only that I got it from the doctor's office. You are the first to identiy this. Wow!

Yes, I believe you could use a flashlight beam to provide the ambient light and, upon interrupting this light, trip the readback. Something I may try some time, probably on TM2 which, when built, will have a Curtec lighting system, or something similar. The best Moth flying here at WWAerodrome is usually very early AM, or early evening. I have to be careful to obtain sufficient altitude to clear - and stay above - the trees. I sent a petition around the neighborhood requesting people cut all their trees to a height not exceeding 10 feet. I figured the 15 foot margin would be sufficient should TM 2 end up being a 25 foot specialist. Surprisingly, no one agreed, and one guy sent me back the petition all wrapped up on a 4-1/2" paper core. Not really sure what he was trying to say.....

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Old Jun 09, 2006, 06:08 PM
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Dang, you are right on! I never stated what the Do-Thwangie really was, only that I got it from the doctor's office. You are the first to identiy this. Wow!

Yes, I believe you could use a flashlight beam to provide the ambient light and, upon interrupting this light, trip the readback. Something I may try some time, probably on TM2 which, when built, will have a Curtec lighting system, or something similar. The best Moth flying here at WWAerodrome is usually very early AM, or early evening. I have to be careful to obtain sufficient altitude to clear - and stay above - the trees. I sent a petition around the neighborhood requesting people cut all their trees to a height not exceeding 10 feet. I figured the 15 foot margin would be sufficient should TM 2 end up being a 25 foot specialist. Surprisingly, no one agreed, and one guy sent me back the petition all wrapped up on a 4-1/2" paper core. Not really sure what he was trying to say.....

RD
Heh Heh, I have my sources Herr Sipperell!

I'm going to add everything imaginable to my white pico moth when it is finally started and finished. I want lights, an altimeter, I need to order a brushless ESC.... And, I have to fly all of these other planes that companies send me to test. Most of them are crap! I just got a huge 4 motor B-52 in todays mail, and yesterday a package from China arrived with a "differental thrust" Gull wing glider that you send up and then just glide around. I'm being buried in this stuff! So far, I'm impressed with the Aero Aces by Air Hogs. Others, will get a thumbs down. I should have a garage sale!
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Old Jun 11, 2006, 07:01 PM
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transplanted from the World Tour Moth thread @ Keiths request...(the stiff )
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Heh Heh.... I probably would have fixed the Moth, but now it's famous. I'm going to call the AMA to see if they will hang it in their museum!
don't know if they will Buzz, I think all their Hangar space is higher than 25'...just wouldn't be right

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Old Jun 12, 2006, 12:26 AM
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Heh Heh, I have my sources Herr Sipperell!

I'm going to add everything imaginable to my white pico moth when it is finally started and finished. I want lights, an altimeter, I need to order a brushless ESC.... And, I have to fly all of these other planes that companies send me to test. Most of them are crap! I just got a huge 4 motor B-52 in todays mail, and yesterday a package from China arrived with a "differental thrust" Gull wing glider that you send up and then just glide around. I'm being buried in this stuff! So far, I'm impressed with the Aero Aces by Air Hogs. Others, will get a thumbs down. I should have a garage sale!
I too picked up an "air hogs aero ace" and flew it yesterday for the first time. Durable little thing. Is there a web site for mods on it? Mine doesn't seem very stable in the air--it "porpoises" up and down, constantly changing pitch. I tried a bit of nose weight, and bending the tail down but it still climbs and stalls. Also rocks from side to side. The power is great, but if it were just a bit more stable it would be much more fun. I didn't put on the decals, or sand off the bumps on the wing--are they there to cause turbulance? The wing TE looks awfully thick--has anyone sharpened it?
Pico Moth # 1 crashed again yesterday, with the cadet at the sticks. It needed a new motor stick anyway--the original was getting pretty old. 3DTM is almost done--just need to solder some wires on to extend the aileron servo leads. I'm going to use a 6 ch Rx and see If I can get a little flap action (maybe 2 degrees?) going for slow flight.
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Old Jun 12, 2006, 12:48 AM
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I too picked up an "air hogs aero ace" and flew it yesterday for the first time. Durable little thing. Is there a web site for mods on it? Mine doesn't seem very stable in the air--it "porpoises" up and down, constantly changing pitch..
That's pretty much the way it flys worse if a little wind.
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Old Jun 12, 2006, 01:02 AM
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Just out of curiosity, whats the deal with this thread going on for 29 parts?! I thought the Pink Floyd and Big Floyd threads were long!

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Old Jun 12, 2006, 04:52 AM
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Just out of curiosity, whats the deal with this thread going on for 29 parts?! I thought the Pink Floyd and Big Floyd threads were long!

Steve
Get a Moth

if we have to explain it.....you still wouldn't understand
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