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Old Nov 01, 2006, 11:04 AM
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Okay folks I am new to this thread although I have been reviewing the rather extensive list of posts in the previous threads. I have been working on a Pico Moth on and off for a while and am now down to final assembly. As any who know me from the Latest Canadian Beaver thread can tell you I have as usual over built this little kitty.
David, you are going to love the Moth, there is no need to really overbuild it. Just a few mods buddy. One thing, that has helped my moths more than anything else has been the struts being lamainated. I got my kit for the struts here, just so you can see what I am talking about: http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=58. I bet you have pleanty in the shop that you could fashion up a set for your moth. Also, I don't bother with the stock IPS system, it is personal thing. Use a small outrunner, you will be happier that you did. 4g-9g servos are perfect. Keep it light and you will have a nicer flying plane than that Beaver of yours, trust me on this. Post some pics buddy.
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Old Nov 01, 2006, 11:18 AM
I think I can glue that..
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David, you are going to love the Moth, there is no need to really overbuild it. Just a few mods buddy. One thing, that has helped my moths more than anything else has been the struts being lamainated. I got my kit for the struts here, just so you can see what I am talking about: http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?products_id=58. I bet you have pleanty in the shop that you could fashion up a set for your moth. Also, I don't bother with the stock IPS system, it is personal thing. Use a small outrunner, you will be happier that you did. 4g-9g servos are perfect. Keep it light and you will have a nicer flying plane than that Beaver of yours, trust me on this. Post some pics buddy.
Tom

Geez Tom only my grandma calls me David (or my mom when she is mad at me which still happens even now that I am 39 with kids of my own) hehe. I know glassing was over the top probably but I hate hangar rash. I have reinforced the stock struts for now with some CF laminated on and will be running an outrunner to start off..... now I just need some ideas on wing mounts without elastics.... I am not completely opposed to the elastics but would prefer to have something less obtrusive.

I forgot you hang around in these parts too

I was thinking about doing what I did with the Beaver and placing magnets in the T.E. of the lower wing that would match up with 2 magnets embedded in the fuse and then a piece of CF into a hole to hold up the front of the wing
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 01:39 PM
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I went downstairs last night to begin finally assembly of my moth and I dont know what kind of plastic the cabanes are made of but CA does not adhere to it . I picked up a strut and my CF reinforcing fell off with only minimal twisting. I decided to do what many others have done and laminated lite ply to one side of the struts with epoxy (which seems to be sticking after roughing up the face with the teeth of my razor saw)... hopefully tonight I can paint the struts and then maybe just maybe I can put her together this weekend. Hoping for a calm day this weekend as I havent been able to fly for 3 weeks now.... but the forecast here isnt looking promising.... oh well lots of building projects and a honey doo list.

Curious? I have lots of hours on my Beaver and Vortex under my belt.... so wondering about indoor flight with the moth? do you think the Pico moth is small enough to manage in a single gymnasium or would that be too tight? I happen to have a gym available to me and it would be awesome if I could fly indoors this winter.
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 02:03 PM
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I went downstairs last night to begin finally assembly of my moth and I dont know what kind of plastic the cabanes are made of but CA does not adhere to it . I picked up a strut and my CF reinforcing fell off with only minimal twisting.
That's wierd. I was able to glue CF to the front and back of mine with CA without difficulty. Well, without difficulty other than gluing my fingers to the thing, that is. I don't even recall wiping them down with alcohol to remove mold release agents.

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Old Nov 02, 2006, 02:17 PM
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I went downstairs last night to begin finally assembly of my moth and I dont know what kind of plastic the cabanes are made of but CA does not adhere to it . I picked up a strut and my CF reinforcing fell off with only minimal twisting. I decided to do what many others have done and laminated lite ply to one side of the struts with epoxy (which seems to be sticking after roughing up the face with the teeth of my razor saw)... hopefully tonight I can paint the struts and then maybe just maybe I can put her together this weekend. Hoping for a calm day this weekend as I havent been able to fly for 3 weeks now.... but the forecast here isnt looking promising.... oh well lots of building projects and a honey doo list.

Curious? I have lots of hours on my Beaver and Vortex under my belt.... so wondering about indoor flight with the moth? do you think the Pico moth is small enough to manage in a single gymnasium or would that be too tight? I happen to have a gym available to me and it would be awesome if I could fly indoors this winter.
You should be able to fly the TM in a single Gym just fine. I have flown mine in my small cul-de sac without problems.
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 04:08 PM
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Although I've not flown my TM indoors, I agree with Boomer - you should be able to fly in a gym. I have been able to fly in my yard (1/2 acre [100' x 220'] - with a house on it). I admit I sometimes (well, OK, frequently) violate my neighbor's air space, but I have also confined it to my from yard at times(100' x 65').

A gym in the winter could open up year-round flying for you! Let us know how it goes...

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Old Nov 02, 2006, 04:33 PM
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Dave,

Looking forward to your build. Weather here certainly sucks...
Figure eights in a baseball diamond are easy on those calm days with a Moth.

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Old Nov 02, 2006, 05:44 PM
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Well then I will definitely give it a try then. Pulled the epoxied struts out of the weights and waxed paper and the epoxy held fine. If I can stay away from the Honey do list for a couple of minutes this weekend I will get this little kitty put toghether..... As an aside I would like to put some registry numbers on her ..... not sure what to put on there though.. C-FBSU maybe BSU-Bob sur uncle?

Added some pics of where we are at right now as well as an EP Pico sized moth we saw at IHobby Expo..... Thinking I might have to bring some of them into the store. They had a 400 size as well.
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Old Nov 02, 2006, 10:03 PM
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TM's in a Gym

Yes, Indeed! TM's fly just fine in a normal sized gym (one basket ball court) every week in Bedford, TX. There were three flying at once this afternoon... with only one near miss that I saw. I even witnessed a stock one, with un-braced wing, do a nice slow loop. Most of the TM's flown indoors around here are fairly light (mine was 7.5 oz last time I checked) and all look the same... which is very confusing if you get 5 or 6 in the air at once. While most are using stock motor/gearbox and LiPo's, a few are souped up with brushless motors (geared Fiegao's or direct drives). Yes, the TM is very well-suited for indoor flying.

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Old Nov 02, 2006, 10:14 PM
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Got to love throttle control! Bob, nice balsa moth got some specs?
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 08:07 AM
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Im going to get a pico moth with w/ips ( over the slowstick but i need a bit of help. What sort of esc will I need. I have a spare "ICS-300e for Li-Po" lying around can I use that with a "2 Cell 7.4V 400 mAh Li-Poly"? What will flight times be like with that setup. Can anyone tell me if that esc will work with the motor and battery? Cheers
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 09:21 AM
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I think that ESC should work fine. I estimate your flight time will be around 20 minutes, or less, with 400 mAh. (Ours go about 90 mins, on 1800mAh.
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Old Nov 03, 2006, 10:12 AM
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Im going to get a pico moth with w/ips ( over the slowstick but i need a bit of help. What sort of esc will I need. I have a spare "ICS-300e for Li-Po" lying around can I use that with a "2 Cell 7.4V 400 mAh Li-Poly"? What will flight times be like with that setup. Can anyone tell me if that esc will work with the motor and battery? Cheers
I think you'll be fine with that ESC. I've used a CC Thunderbird (TB-9) with an ETEC 2S 400 Mah Li-Po and average about 14-16 minutes. Unfortunately I've been grounded lately with the wind and rain, with cold added to the wind, which LiPo's don't like. Withdrawal is setting in!

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Old Nov 03, 2006, 11:06 AM
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Got to love throttle control! Bob, nice balsa moth got some specs?
Here are the specs on it:

Distributed by Powerline Hobbies

Specification:
Length: 19.68 inches
Wing Area: 12.2dcsq.
Wing Span: 26.4 inches
Weight: 8 oz/220 grams

Over View:
*Factory-built fuselage, top and bottom wintgs and tail panels, assembled from
laser-cut wooden parts.
*Major components supplied pre-covered in transparent film.
*Film-covered cabane and wing struts
*Ready-made plywood control surface
*Factory-assembled main undercarriage, light weight wheels
*Painted cowl
*Comprehensive illustrated building instructions
*Carbon wing edge

MSRP without power system is about $100.00 or $180 with power system (brushless) so you can buy quite a few GWS moths for the price but this was a darn nice looking plane!! I think I will have to see what we can sell them for... if not for any other reason than that I want one!
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Old Nov 05, 2006, 12:05 PM
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On Location...

Well I had some serious doubts that my shark hunting Moth would last till my vacation, but she held up (with a few knocks) and there were enough breaks in the windsurfing action for loads of flying!

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