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Old Mar 13, 2006, 04:11 PM
Watchur6
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SIG 4 Star 60

I just picked up a used one. Can someone give me the CG measurement from the
LE?

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Old Mar 13, 2006, 06:11 PM
Ed Smega
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60

The plan shows a range from the leading edge of the spar to the trailing
edge of the spar.

Ed




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Old Dec 07, 2008, 10:54 AM
Phil
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SIG 4 Star 60

Hello
Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am a
Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca , J3 or
T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I still
would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85% ahead of
CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts would be
appreciated.
Thanks
Phil L.


Old Dec 07, 2008, 11:38 PM
MJKolodziej
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60


"Phil" <pdl@imaginenet.net> wrote in message
news:ghgv38021ss@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Hello
> Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
> nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
> with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am
> a Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca ,
> J3 or T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I
> still would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85%
> ahead of CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Phil L.
>
>

I have some thoughts: I like the gear in the wing as opposed to bolting it
to the fuse because it's wide and handles better and lands better. I think
it would not look too good stuck on the fuse. I have some gear blocks and
wire for wing mounted LG. I'd double the ribs it would be mounted on all
the way into the L.E. and T.E..Trike gear is heavier. I wonder if the nose
gear would figure to be on the firewall? I have a BTE Venture 60 kit in a
box, it's essentially the same plane. I may go get the plans out.
I had a Bridi Killer Chaos (R.I.P.) as a tail dragger and tamed it a bit
by a tall tail wheel and lots of expo on rudder. The tall tail wheel made
the AOA at rest close to 0, less ballooning on landing, easier take offs.
mk
I can send you the gear blocks and wire, I know right where it SHOULD be.


Old Dec 08, 2008, 10:20 AM
Bob Cowell
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:54:29 -0500, "Phil" <pdl@imaginenet.net> wrote:

>Hello
> Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
>nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
>with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am a
>Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca , J3 or
>T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I still
>would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85% ahead of
>CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts would be
>appreciated.
>Thanks
>Phil L.
>


I thought my SIG Four Star 60 with a taildragger setup displayed excellent
ground handling characteristics, with no nasty tendencies.

I fly off some pretty rough areas, and have never been a fan of tri-gear for
the reason that they tend to put a lot of extra abuse on the firewall.

IF you are lucky enough to have a smooth runway, that objection disappears
pretty quickly.

My other objection to running Tri gear on a low-wing without retracts is that
those wheels sticking out of the bottom of the wing always seemed to me to make
the wing pretty awkward to try to handle and transport.

YMMV
bob
Old Dec 08, 2008, 11:14 AM
Harry Kolomyjec
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60


"Phil" <pdl@imaginenet.net> wrote in message
news:ghgv38021ss@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Hello
> Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
> nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
> with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am
> a Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca ,
> J3 or T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I
> still would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85%
> ahead of CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Phil L.



I think you might have a better handling tail dragger if
you make sure you have a little toe-in on your gear.
It makes a big difference.


Old Dec 08, 2008, 03:42 PM
Bob Cowell
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Taildraggers

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:14:56 -0500, "Harry Kolomyjec" <harryk01@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I think you might have a better handling tail dragger if
>you make sure you have a little toe-in on your gear.
>It makes a big difference.


I didn't want to hijack the four star thread
so,,,

I agree that some planes seem to do better with some toe-in,
the ugly part is that I have never been able to get that to work "across the
board"
I have one plane which has humbled many a good pilot with it's BAD ground
handling.
I have tried neutral steering, toe-in, toe out, Just about every fix that has
been posted here over the years, and have come to the conclusion that some
planes are just born evil and will not be tamed.
And
others are born well behaved and have no problems even if you set them up
contrary to all logical standards.

I have a Limbo Dancer which by all "normal standards should be unmanageable on
the ground, the main gear is nearly at the firewall, (way too far forward) it
is too high and too narrow. but it has very docile ground handling.

This is the sort of thing that makes me keep trying to tame the tough ones.
I have this forlorn hope that one day, in a blinding flash of insight, I will
suddenly have the answer to this problem.

I better hurry though, I'm not getting any younger ;-)
Old Dec 09, 2008, 09:50 AM
MJKolodziej
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60


"Phil" <pdl@imaginenet.net> wrote in message
news:ghgv38021ss@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Hello
> Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
> nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
> with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am
> a Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca ,
> J3 or T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I
> still would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85%
> ahead of CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts
> would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Phil L.
>
>

Did you ever that ST 61 running?
mk


Old Dec 09, 2008, 09:34 PM
Six_O'Clock_High
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Re: Taildraggers


"Bob Cowell" <bobc@kdsi.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:14:56 -0500, "Harry Kolomyjec"
> <harryk01@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>I think you might have a better handling tail dragger if
>>you make sure you have a little toe-in on your gear.
>>It makes a big difference.

>
> I didn't want to hijack the four star thread
> so,,,
>
> I agree that some planes seem to do better with some toe-in,
> the ugly part is that I have never been able to get that to work "across
> the
> board"
> I have one plane which has humbled many a good pilot with it's BAD ground
> handling.
> I have tried neutral steering, toe-in, toe out, Just about every fix that
> has
> been posted here over the years, and have come to the conclusion that
> some
> planes are just born evil and will not be tamed.
> And
> others are born well behaved and have no problems even if you set them up
> contrary to all logical standards.
>
> I have a Limbo Dancer which by all "normal standards should be
> unmanageable on
> the ground, the main gear is nearly at the firewall, (way too far
> forward) it
> is too high and too narrow. but it has very docile ground handling.
>
> This is the sort of thing that makes me keep trying to tame the tough
> ones.
> I have this forlorn hope that one day, in a blinding flash of insight, I
> will
> suddenly have the answer to this problem.
>
> I better hurry though, I'm not getting any younger ;-)


Right rudder . . . .


Old Dec 27, 2008, 10:41 AM
Phil
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Re: SIG 4 Star 60

Yes I did run the ST .61 on my old Goldberg Eagle 63 , a little too much
power for it , just replaced the bearings and gaskets and haven't run it yet
, used to run a Como .51 and put about 200 hrs. on the little bugger , just
loved the thing , guess they all work , have heard some neg. about Super
Tiger , same carb as Como I think , I like em all , thanks Phil
"MJKolodziej" <mjmwcsREMOVEKILLERCHAOS@htcomp.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil" <pdl@imaginenet.net> wrote in message
> news:ghgv38021ss@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> Hello
>> Wondering if somebody has set up a SIG Four Star 60 with a Tri gear [
>> nosewheel ] , am starting on this model and have always had some problem
>> with the Tail Dragger arrangement , especially in a little crosswind , am
>> a Private Pilot and never had the same problem with Full Scale Aeronca ,
>> J3 or T Craft , I know the probable answer is to get a new brain , but I
>> still would like to put a nosewheel on the SIG 4 Star , I have the .85%
>> ahead of CG and .15% behind CG formula so I can go it alone ,any thoughts
>> would be appreciated.
>> Thanks
>> Phil L.
>>
>>

> Did you ever that ST 61 running?
> mk
>
>



 


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