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Old Feb 01, 2006, 11:46 AM
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GWS Mini Mustang

Here are a couple of pictures of the new release of the GWS Miniture P-51D Mustang. If you enjoyed flying the Cox Warbirds, this one here is a must have. It is good looking and it flies just as good as it looks. The specs on mine are: Wingspan 24", Wing Area 110", Weight 9.0 oz., Wing Loading 11.5 oz. 4 Channels- Throttle, Elevator, Ailerons, Ruder and steerable tailwheel. Servos - 3 Waypoints 3.8 gram. Motor: Hyperion Z-2205-34 1530KV, Battery: Hyperion 3 Cell 730mah. WWW.ALLeRC.com has these airplanes.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 12:17 PM
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Is this the free flight mustang from GWS that you converted to RC?

Looks pretty good.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 01:34 PM
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Yes, I converted it from free flight to RC. It is an awesome flying airplane. Also, the airframe itself is not fragile like the cox warbirds. The wings are thick depron foam and the fuselage is molded foam like the the big Warbirds. Mine has taken a few tipstalls in the ground and has held up well.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 02:59 PM
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Here are some pictures of the stock kit, the thickness of the wing and inside the fuselasge.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 03:47 PM
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I may just have to pick up one of these and try it myself.

Thanks,

Steve
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 06:17 PM
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I wrote instructions on the conversion. It is a word document and I need convert to a pdf doc. The Word do is 10mb. If you want the instructions PM me and I will email them. I also need to post a video of it flying around.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 09:16 PM
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Here are the PDF instructions for the GWS Mini Mustang conversion.
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Old Feb 01, 2006, 11:45 PM
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Here is another picture at the field. The airplane will takeoff from the ground. I am working on a video. Hopefully I have it soon.
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Old Feb 02, 2006, 03:29 PM
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N827TM,

Thanks for the instructions. I already built one but I picked up some good tips. I am using the ips-S2; once i get the plane trimmed out i will go brushless. it's always tough getting a new plane to fly in the winter so if it survives i will upgrade the motor.

i am curious why you didnt mount the motor directly to the firewall? then it might be able to fit in the cowl without mods. i find the stick approach to be a pain in the rear as i keep having the stick break off, including this morning.

thanks again,
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Old Feb 02, 2006, 04:25 PM
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N827TM,

Thanks for the instructions. I already built one but I picked up some good tips. I am using the ips-S2; once i get the plane trimmed out i will go brushless. it's always tough getting a new plane to fly in the winter so if it survives i will upgrade the motor.

i am curious why you didnt mount the motor directly to the firewall? then it might be able to fit in the cowl without mods. i find the stick approach to be a pain in the rear as i keep having the stick break off, including this morning.

thanks again,
Jeff
True. If using Hyperion outrunner the easiest way should be just do firewall mount. You save the hassle of installing a stick and save money buying the additional stick mount converter which in effect convert the stick mount back into a firewall mount.

Great job N827TM on writing such a detailed building/conversion instructions. Far better than any official instructions ever coming out of GWS kits so far. Maybe you should contact Mr. Lin of GWS to adapt your instruction into their kit and you may well earn some extra money
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Old Feb 03, 2006, 12:20 PM
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Guys,

I appreciate your responses. When I did this conversion, I looked at it from every corner, what would be the easiest, lightest and strongest. I did think about mounting the motor to the firewall. Anyway you look at attaching the motor to this airframe is tight. I also tried the cross mount and that did not fit. One thing, I wanted was this design to be lightweight and sturdy. In the end, mounting the motor to the cowl I felt was the best way to do it. By doing it this way, I was able to align the motor and spinner to the cowl without carving many holes in the firewall for the stick mount.

I have a video on a VHS tape that I converted to DVD, Hopefully soon I can get it uploaded. If you have pictures of your Mustang post them. I would like to see them.
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Old Feb 09, 2006, 01:57 AM
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Hi N827TM,
I've had my eye on the mini Mustang for a while but wasn't sure on how hard it would be to modify it and wether it would be worth the trouble. Thanks for a comprehensive guide it all looks quite simple with a bit of care and patience.
Mines on order.

thanks,

Neil.
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Old Feb 09, 2006, 12:49 PM
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N827TM and others,

I just came back from my second flight in 2 days. I have finally gotten the little mustang trimmed out reasonably well. It really takes time to get it trimmed out. I have come to realize that the plane, at leat mine, doesnt like to be over controlled. this is what i find with other small planes like the cox planes, especially those that are shall i say nicely "thrust challenged". yesterday was calm and she flew quite well. today it was about 5-10 mph and she still did ok, but was affected by the breeze.

once trimmed out i found that i need to dial in the aileron and elevator control. if i keep the aileron or elevator defelcted for too long the plane loses control and often wants to stall. if i just dial it in like an impulse type of control, for just a quick second, the plane will bank/pitch as told. i find it necessary to give the plane a few seconds to let the control fade away and then i can put in another control command. interesting way of flying and much different than my gws plane.

one thing i will say is you really have to reinfirce the wing. i used a 3/16 square basswood spar at about the 1/3 chord line from tip to tip. that really does the trick. the center part of my wing is really smashed up but the spar takes out nearly all of the bending. without that spar my plane is already in the garbage.

by all means get this plane if you are interested in it. it flies nice and doesnt require a lot of space. it has really helped take out the winter blues and cabin fever here in indiana. it was a great Christmas present that as cousin eddie from Natl Lampoon vacation would say is a "gift that keeps on giving".

N827TM I did post a couple of pictures about a month ago. there isnt much to see as you aleady wrote the book. and we thank you for that.

jeff
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Old Feb 09, 2006, 03:44 PM
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........once trimmed out i found that i need to dial in the aileron and elevator control..........
While I understand trimming, I'm not sure what you mean by dialing in Jeff. Is it a slowly, slowly approach or something to do with a more sophisticated TX than I own?

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.......one thing i will say is you really have to reinfirce the wing. i used a 3/16 square basswood spar at about the 1/3 chord line from tip to tip........
Would 3mm diameter hollow or flat CF strip do the same job?

Your not need much space comment is encouraging as that is what I have. 2 soccer fields and to end with bush both sides and each end.

This is my first aileron plane, I would like to hear from anyone regarding starting out with aileron & elevator or should I go aileron, elevator and rudder?

I have been flying a GWS Beaver for about 3 months now which is a very kind plane to fly and has only rudder and elevator. This should be very intersting!

Neil.
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Old Feb 09, 2006, 04:28 PM
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Neil, "dialing in" is just a figure of speech. I am trying to describe that i leave the stick in the neutral position most of the time, and only push the stick ("dial in") when i want the plane to turn or pitch. this could just be particular to my plane, who knows.

yes, a CF rod is perfect to reinforce. I didnt have a CF rod so basswood worked fine. I cant imagine the plane flying without reinforcement as the stock wing is weak IMHO, although the fuselage is very strong.

I fly in just a single soccer field surrounded on three sides by plane-eating trees. it doesnt need a lot of space. much less than the cox conversions.

you should be ok with elevators; it's a fairly big step no matter how you do it but i found that ailerons are easier to fly thna rudder once you adjust.it's worth the pain.

hope that helps.

jeff
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