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Old Oct 08, 2006, 02:53 AM
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Good luck!

There has been a run on dead HV controllers lately. There were several reports when they first came out but then they seemed to be doing well for quite a while. Then lately another spat of blown HV's.

One good thing (looking on the positive side) as far as I recall they have all died on the gound at first power up and not in the air.

Im hopeing to get my 110 back soon. I intend to do lots of ground testing before going back up.

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Old Oct 11, 2006, 01:15 AM
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The HV passed intial tests today. I don't like thinking it will fail again. I mean wouldn't it make sense the factory would send out good units now that they are aware of the past issues?
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Old Oct 11, 2006, 01:36 AM
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Dont ask Katman about repeated failures

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old Oct 11, 2006, 10:04 AM
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I lost an HV 110 and an HV 85 while prepping for an event here last week.
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Old Oct 11, 2006, 12:20 PM
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I lost an HV 110 and an HV 85 while prepping for an event here last week.
Ouch!

What happened with yours?? How many cells?

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Old Oct 14, 2006, 09:29 PM
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Alright! My new replaced HV110 arrived yesturday. Maiden in the morning--fingers crossed! My video guy won't be there, but I will see if someone else can shoot for me.

Bryce
How did it go??? Good I hope!!!

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Old Oct 15, 2006, 04:52 PM
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All is well! I think everyone needs one of these. Much thanks to Feather for the cut-outs which he will get back real soon. I need to beef up the LG and tail wheel, and well thats about it.
Here is a link http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...34#post6227098 to the maiden video. We are going to try to get up a better quality soon. Much thanks to ThinAir for video and editing.

Plane flies great!

Edge 1.5.2 I am hoping for 7.5lbs using a smaller motor and batteries. I never went past half throttle for the maiden. Great little plane!

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Old Oct 15, 2006, 05:45 PM
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Congrats! Looks like it flys great!

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Old Oct 26, 2006, 01:15 PM
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I upgraded to Bronze level so I could get a larger video file uploaded. If interested here is the new link http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...65#post6286168

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Old Oct 26, 2006, 01:42 PM
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Looks GREAT Bryce! Mine flys just like the 'small' one. How are you getting 2400W?
I'm only seeing ~1700 on 8S and a 20X10.
I have gone to 3/16" wire gear and it seems to hold up fine.
Since I finished the 'Cowing' I need to have someone shoot new video.
At 7.5lb the new version should fly great on a 4130 and 6S.
I was in Palm Desert all last week and should have driven to FS then flown home from Phx.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 04:47 PM
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Feather,
You can stay anytime! There is a great place to fly about 2 minutes away from my house. Thinair lives about 1 minute away from it.

I was thinking the same about the smaller motor and battery(cheaper) set up. I just have such a hard time spending $500 on batteries. I use a 10s TP 5300 set up with a Mejk carbon 21x10. I tired 4 props (6 motor settings) and that one made the best numbers. I think it was pulling 70ish amps. Interestingly the Z wooden props were making similar numbers.

Mine also flies like the little one. The big axi has enough torque that I have to go 1/4 throttle just get it to slow down on up line. It floats just like its baby brothers, hardly any coupling too. I will get more daring later, but for now loops, rolls, snaps, hovers, and point rolls are very similar. It has great elevator control as well. I just copied my SA 540 settings to another channel on my Rx making set up a breeze. The best part is I can see it better!
Thanks again,
Bryce
PS Maybe Mr. G could build it to 4lbs........
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 05:00 PM
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Try elevators (upright and inverted) and blenders. They are pretty easy and safe if done high enough. I get no wing rock at all in the elevators and blenders are pretty violent.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 05:21 PM
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Looks GREAT Bryce! Mine flys just like the 'small' one. How are you getting 2400W?
I'm only seeing ~1700 on 8S and a 20X10.
I have gone to 3/16" wire gear and it seems to hold up fine.
Since I finished the 'Cowing' I need to have someone shoot new video.
At 7.5lb the new version should fly great on a 4130 and 6S.
I was in Palm Desert all last week and should have driven to FS then flown home from Phx.
James,
Along those lines .... I was at an e fly a couple of weekends ago. There was a guy there who had a new Funtana X100. He had a 4130/16 in it on 6S turning a 17x8 APC-E. It was 8 lbs. It flew great ! Seemed light as a feather (no pun intended) ... and he was doing lots of 3D with it.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 06:28 PM
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That's what I started with but the repair of the elevator flutter moved my CG so far back that I ended up with the current power system to get CG. The 4130 would not hover the Edge on 6S on a 16X10 but maybe barely on a 17X8. As it is at ~9lb and ~1700W (Guess I should get a 1kW sticker) it is vastly over powered. A 10 min flight uses up about 5/8 of the pack.
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Old Oct 27, 2006, 11:28 PM
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I haven't got the nerve up to test the wings with a blender...soon though. Here is a picture of the next one. I think I should make the 7-8lbs without a problem. Now eed to find a good deal on an Axi 41xx and some batteries. Any suggestions on the batteries? I'm thinking 6s and 4000ish mah, but I'm not sure.
I will give the new Spin esc a try as well.
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Old Oct 28, 2006, 12:08 AM
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With a 1"X36" aluminum wing tube the wings are the least of my worries. I think the fuselage between the cockpit and tail is the weak spot on mine. I probably should build another fuse with the wing 1-2" further aft and a lighter tail. Then I should be able to come in at under 8lb.
A good 6S 4000 pack would be fine. 2 TP 3S 4200's would weigh about 20oz.
My pair of Tanic 4S 4350's weigh 2lb!
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Old Oct 31, 2006, 12:21 AM
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I meant to say the I'm not ready yet...the plane, well, as always I have proven to have better equipment than I can use.

Thinair supplied me with these dubs for my reg Edge, he said the were the rage in Hollywood, but I thought they would look more appropriate in the bigger plane--I ain't pimpin' for a livin'. Besides, the skinny wheel is just about the same diameter and comes in at 10gr. vs. 60grams. That is about 1/4 pound total right there.

I was thinking about your situation with the 41xx and I have made a 1" firewall spacer just in case I can't get the CG just right. You can hardly tell it has a big nose!
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Old Oct 31, 2006, 08:01 AM
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Those do look lighter. I fly off grass and so am using wide wheels.
Sat was really wondewrful. Sunny 70deg and NO wind. Flew the Edge 3 times. It is so quiet and powerful. The 20X10 is the prop for me. With ~10% brake it slows the plane on the downlines and for landing. Flies very much like the small one. I need to get more video shot.
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 04:10 PM
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Feather,

First off I AM going to put your cut-outs in the mail tomorrow! Thank you again and again!
The plane flies just marvelously! I still have the shakes when flying, but I have been getting slow rolls 20 feet off the deck followed by 4-6 faster ones at the end of the run way. Did a few flat spins as well this morning. This plane is just way toooo much fun! It floats like the little brother and only needs about 20 verticle feet to recover from a stall. It pulls and accelerates from a hover.
I am still waiting for a good deal on an Axi 4130 to put on the 7lbs version. I think that might just be the end all for park fliers!
Feather, I was thinking this world could use a 100" version in the 9-11lbs range? Maybe I will get to the copy shop tonight before I send your cut-outs out??????
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 04:21 PM
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OK, the 4130 just went on hour sale at Hobby Lobby. I think $137.00 is a fair price!
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 04:25 PM
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WooHoo Bryce. Great looking plane. I need to pose with mine too.
May be working on a 1.5X CAP40e soon. Are you interested?
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 06:10 PM
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82.5" nice. We should have Bill price out the cutting. I do prefer the flying characteristics of the Edge, Bryces 1.5 is amazing!
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 06:46 PM
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WooHoo Bryce. Great looking plane. I need to pose with mine too.
May be working on a 1.5X CAP40e soon. Are you interested?
I'd be impressed with a 2.5XCap80E.
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 08:38 PM
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gwh - Aw Come on!
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Old Nov 24, 2006, 11:49 PM
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Sounds interesting, but I think you'll have to find a way to joing the wing 1/2 otherwise transporting the wing might get tricky. Thanks for the offer, but I don't have the time right now. I need to get the other one up, and Fix my other Edge.
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Old Nov 25, 2006, 12:17 AM
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WOW Mine just broke the motor cage away from the bolt on backplate. Speed got too low on landing and it stalled in from about 4ft.
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Old Nov 29, 2006, 03:09 PM
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Alright! I ordered an Axi 4130, jeti 77, and a prefab motor cgae/mount during Hobby Lobby's Thanks Giving day sale. I ended up paying about $280 for all--not a bad deal. They just arrived too!

I just got off the phone with Bill at SA and he is cutting new wing ribs for the 1.5.2 plane. He said he could get them out next week and ship them with my Ultimate!

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Old Nov 29, 2006, 03:21 PM
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ship them with my Ultimate!

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Do you know what you just started
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Old Nov 29, 2006, 06:54 PM
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Ultimate? what Ultimate, I did not see an Ultimate,did any one else see an ultimate?

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Old Nov 29, 2006, 08:58 PM
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Ha Ha Ha....it's going to be a frenzy. Ultimates for everyone!
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Old Nov 30, 2006, 03:59 PM
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I couldn't resist!
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Some pics of serial #000002.
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Old Dec 06, 2006, 08:03 PM
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OK I can see I need to post more pictures. Good job Bryce.
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 08:39 PM
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Just weighed mine (new scale) 9lb 5oz. About 1700W. No wonder it flies so well.
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114th Stevens Aero Edge1.5 Feather 9.8.07

Feather,

Here is the video from Saturday.

Stevens Aero Edge 1.5

114th Stevens Aero Edge1.5 Feather 9.8.07 (4 min 50 sec)
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Old Sep 10, 2007, 05:43 PM
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Hey thanks for taking that.
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James,
Your 1.5 Edge flies great ! Will you have it at SEFF '08 ?
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Old Sep 10, 2007, 10:08 PM
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Don't know. It's so far to go and there was an electric event at the field last year.
2hrs drive vs 2 days. Easy choice.
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Don't know. It's so far to go and there was an electric event at the field last year.
2hrs drive vs 2 days. Easy choice.
I understand ..... it's a B-I-G undertaking for you. But, don't be so selfish .... think about the needs of others (me for instance).
Besides, you can hitch a ride with Kelvin or Kirby .
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Old Feb 25, 2009, 10:52 PM
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Feather,

OK, I really mean what I said in post #407 .

I finished the Edge 1.5-2 this evening so I thought I would resurrect this thread for ya.

I ended up moving the wing back 1" on this one per your suggestion and it made the cg very easy to get. I also beefed up the lg wire which doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. The cowl took a few nights to make but I really like it.

I found a cheap little motor that pulls a little more than 1000 watt on a 5s5300 pack with 18x8 apc(only prop I had). The lighter motor and minus one pack give an auw of around 8lbs. Not a 3d but not too shabby for a 75" plane. Perhaps a slightly smaller battery a more powerful motor might make it a real good 3d plane that is affordable to fly(7lbs with 1300-1400watt).

Thanks again for everything! You are a very nice and understanding guy. I swear they are in the mail!

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Old Feb 26, 2009, 07:20 AM
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Graet job. Can't wait to hear how it flys.
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Old Mar 18, 2009, 06:06 PM
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Feather,

USPS Tracking number #04610406720013037006, priority post guarantied in two days! Don't forget to open it has there is a little some some in there for you!

Edge 1.5.2 is ready for its maiden. AUW w/o batteries is 6.25lbs! I couldn't believe it. With battery it should be under 8lbs.

I switched motors to a Reaper 60. I saw claims of 1400watts so it should be a perfect match on 5s. So far on 4s (2x2100 Kokam 7.4v20c) I can only get 350watts out of it....I'm blaming the tower hobbies 60 esc on the low numbers. A CC HV 80 is on the way.

Do you have any recommendations on the esc settings for this motor? The motor came brand new with zero paperwork from Reaper so I am a little lost. IF it doesn't work out for the 1.5, it will surely work for the 55" 3dhs!

Thanks again,

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hey bry

standard timing is fine use a 15x6 thru 15x8 prop wattage 1100 thru 1400 watts depending on battery packs and the battery setup you have isnt enough you would need qty 2 4s 2200 in parralel , the battery setup you ran would barrly dump 40 amps.

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USPS Tracking number #04610406720013037006, priority post guarantied in two days! Don't forget to open it has there is a little some some in there for you!

Edge 1.5.2 is ready for its maiden. AUW w/o batteries is 6.25lbs! I couldn't believe it. With battery it should be under 8lbs.

I switched motors to a Reaper 60. I saw claims of 1400watts so it should be a perfect match on 5s. So far on 4s (2x2100 Kokam 7.4v20c) I can only get 350watts out of it....I'm blaming the tower hobbies 60 esc on the low numbers. A CC HV 80 is on the way.

Do you have any recommendations on the esc settings for this motor? The motor came brand new with zero paperwork from Reaper so I am a little lost. IF it doesn't work out for the 1.5, it will surely work for the 55" 3dhs!

Thanks again,

Bryce
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There you go Bry. From the head reaper himself.
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Old Mar 19, 2009, 12:15 PM
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Thanks,

I was fairly sure about the battery situation-thanks for confirming Scott(and quicklly too)! I'm going to try some 4s4000mah 15c packs later today. I found a good deal on the packs, but they are of the unproven over sea variety. I also have a few older 5s5300 thunder f3a packs I might try just to see the numbers. I read the 60a version is a better fit for 5s so I will keep the amps down.

I have to fix yet another motor mount on my sa 540 first. How I am able to hit the ONLY thing sticking up in a field is a mistery to me.

Thanks,
Bryce
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Old Mar 27, 2009, 02:57 PM
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Now I am really ready to maiden this plane. I put a 5s5300 tp pack on the Reaper 60. Numbers speak for themselves! Amazing little motor, but will it survive my torture test?
Scott, is putting 85amps throught the Reaper a little too much? I always abuse my equipment, but I really don't use full throttle too much. If anything I fly 1/2 to 3/4 throttle and your motor puts out 1000 watts at 3/4--more than enough to move the plane around.
If the Reaper can withstand 1400watts, I think I found a new motor for more than a few bigger planes. I have a 68" 8lbs Seagull 540 on the board currently so I may be needing another one soon.
I will attempt to video the first fight. Should be comical at best!
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