HoneyBee CP2 Sticky Collective Fix

Flyin Brick · Dec 12, 2005, 11:46 PM

I know this topic has been extensivly covered and covered well, especially the post by Hoverup which covered the conversion thoroughly. Unfortunately I still see many posts from people bothered by Sticky Collective

So i hope this along with previous threads can help shine some light on the subject.

Here is the link to the post by Hoverup:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382982

L0stS0ul · Dec 13, 2005, 12:11 AM

Very nice, No matter how you explain it people don't seem to understand. Great graphics. Hopefully this will do the trick

x0wnag3x · Dec 13, 2005, 07:50 AM

Awesome, with some nice graphics too. I did this mod when I first got my CP2 and it made a huge difference. Now I'm using BCP 3bb grips.

Awais

raynet11 · Dec 13, 2005, 08:23 AM

Very very very very nice.. Someone should sticky this post.

cheers,
Ray

Hoverup · Dec 13, 2005, 08:51 AM

Excellent CAD work Flyin Brick. Thanks for your efforts.

Wynn1427 · Dec 13, 2005, 10:10 AM

Great Graphics Flyin Brick

Thanks
Wynn

Flyin Brick · Dec 13, 2005, 10:47 AM

Thanks, I hope it helps.

rudyy · Dec 13, 2005, 11:15 AM

Nice CAD. You did an amazing job. Can I send you a email if I still have questions about the fix?

Rudy

Flyin Brick · Dec 13, 2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rudyy

Nice CAD. You did an amazing job. Can I send you a email if I still have questions about the fix?

Rudy

Sure

ronair · Dec 16, 2005, 08:18 PM

just got a new Honeybee cp2 and all it would do is shoot into the air at full throotle, Ive striped the blade holders down and found the shaft bent, hopefully i should beable to put that right but i need to know what order i need to assemble the spacers and washers. The quainty i have are 2 thick washers , 2 stepped washers and 2 m2 washers. In your diagram you have 4 stepped washers and no mention of m2 washers. hope you can help . Any idea why the shaft was bent? thanks

x0wnag3x · Dec 16, 2005, 09:28 PM

ronair, look in this thread. Boyd come up with the fix, he explains it in detail.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...cky+collective

It will still work with 2 stepped washers, 2 m2s and 2 spacers.

ronair · Dec 16, 2005, 09:49 PM

Hi xOwnag3x, thanks for getting back to me, ok Ive seen diagram but there no mention of stepped washers on it, so what order shal i use them? do i put them inbetween the spacer and bearing on the front side of the blade grip and use the m2 washer on the back or vice versa. Ive looked at another diagram on here where theres no mention of m2 washers just stepped washers. One more thing would you know why the shaft would be bent? cant understand that because the model is brand new and unflow...Regards

Flyin Brick · Dec 18, 2005, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronair

Hi xOwnag3x, thanks for getting back to me, ok Ive seen diagram but there no mention of stepped washers on it, so what order shal i use them? do i put them inbetween the spacer and bearing on the front side of the blade grip and use the m2 washer on the back or vice versa. Ive looked at another diagram on here where theres no mention of m2 washers just stepped washers. One more thing would you know why the shaft would be bent? cant understand that because the model is brand new and unflow...Regards

Asssemble the 2 stepped washers and spacers as i have them in the illustrations. Replace the two stepped washers closest to the main shaft with the retainer washers. As for why your feathering spindle is bent...its a mystery

...

TMorita · Dec 21, 2005, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyin Brick

Asssemble the 2 stepped washers and spacers as i have them in the illustrations. Replace the two stepped washers closest to the main shaft with your M2 washers. As for why your feathering spindle is bent...its a mystery

...

I prefer to bend my own feathering spindles, instead of buying them already bent.

It's a lot cheaper to do it myself.

Has anyone tried these fixes on the E-flight Blade CP?

Toshi

Shortarse_Yoda · Dec 22, 2005, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Asssemble the 2 stepped washers and spacers as i have them in the illustrations. Replace the two stepped washers closest to the main shaft with your M2 washers. As for why your feathering spindle is bent...its a mystery ...

This is not possible as a 3mm shaft will not go through an M2 washer. The only place the M2 washer can go is between the thick washer on the end of the spindle and the spindle. That way it does the same job as your stepped washer on the end. (stops the bearing rubbing against the thick washer.

Dec 12, 2005, 11:46 PM	#1
Flyin Brick Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 339	HoneyBee CP2 Sticky Collective Fix I know this topic has been extensivly covered and covered well, especially the post by Hoverup which covered the conversion thoroughly. Unfortunately I still see many posts from people bothered by Sticky Collective So i hope this along with previous threads can help shine some light on the subject. Here is the link to the post by Hoverup: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382982 Attached Thumbnails If you take apart the head of the cp2 you'll find 2 stepped washers...In the assebly drawing. The pink washer represents the stepped washer. The light blue washer represents the spacers. The dark blue are the bearings. 39.3 KB · Views: 1821 The stepped washer prevents any friction between the light blue spacer and the bearing..Thus eliminating any sticky pitch created by the centrifugal force created by a high headspeed. 77.6 KB · Views: 2413 This blown up illustration shows the correct order of parts in the assembly. It is essential that the smaller diameter of the stepped washers are positioned against the bearings. 35.8 KB · Views: 7569 It is not neccecary to have the stepped washers on the inner side of the bearing closest to main shaft, but i figure, might as well...So 73.2 KB · Views: 2160 I purchased a second set of blade grips which included two more stepped washers and two spacers. 42.3 KB · Views: 2789 With this order of assembly the sticky clollective issue will be eliminated. 90.0 KB · Views: 2703 Last edited by Flyin Brick; Dec 13, 2005 at 12:08 AM.

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Dec 13, 2005, 12:11 AM	#2
L0stS0ul Ship first, Improve often Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,982	Very nice, No matter how you explain it people don't seem to understand. Great graphics. Hopefully this will do the trick

Dec 13, 2005, 07:50 AM	#3
x0wnag3x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 399	Awesome, with some nice graphics too. I did this mod when I first got my CP2 and it made a huge difference. Now I'm using BCP 3bb grips. Awais

Dec 13, 2005, 08:23 AM	#4
raynet11 Sponsored by Team Me Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montgomery, IL Posts: 6,580	Very very very very nice.. Someone should sticky this post. cheers, Ray

Dec 13, 2005, 08:51 AM	#5
Hoverup Mercedes C63 AMG heli hauler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Golden Gulf Coast Posts: 9,082	Excellent CAD work Flyin Brick. Thanks for your efforts.

Dec 13, 2005, 10:10 AM	#6
Wynn1427 Lesson Learned = $$ Saved Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Clovis, Ca. 93612 Posts: 671	Great Graphics Flyin Brick Thanks Wynn

Dec 13, 2005, 10:47 AM	#7
Flyin Brick Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 339	Thanks, I hope it helps.

Dec 13, 2005, 11:15 AM	#8
rudyy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Williamsville, NY Posts: 657	Nice CAD. You did an amazing job. Can I send you a email if I still have questions about the fix? Rudy

Dec 16, 2005, 08:18 PM	#10
ronair Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Wales Coast, Uk Posts: 6	just got a new Honeybee cp2 and all it would do is shoot into the air at full throotle, Ive striped the blade holders down and found the shaft bent, hopefully i should beable to put that right but i need to know what order i need to assemble the spacers and washers. The quainty i have are 2 thick washers , 2 stepped washers and 2 m2 washers. In your diagram you have 4 stepped washers and no mention of m2 washers. hope you can help . Any idea why the shaft was bent? thanks

Dec 16, 2005, 09:28 PM	#11
x0wnag3x Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 399	ronair, look in this thread. Boyd come up with the fix, he explains it in detail. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...cky+collective It will still work with 2 stepped washers, 2 m2s and 2 spacers.

Dec 16, 2005, 09:49 PM	#12
ronair Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Wales Coast, Uk Posts: 6	Hi xOwnag3x, thanks for getting back to me, ok Ive seen diagram but there no mention of stepped washers on it, so what order shal i use them? do i put them inbetween the spacer and bearing on the front side of the blade grip and use the m2 washer on the back or vice versa. Ive looked at another diagram on here where theres no mention of m2 washers just stepped washers. One more thing would you know why the shaft would be bent? cant understand that because the model is brand new and unflow...Regards