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Old Dec 10, 2005, 04:11 AM
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Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
airplanes?
Any info about how they work?

Merci,


Old Dec 10, 2005, 06:11 AM
JACOB
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

It's called a large scale human pilot!
<Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
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> Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
> airplanes?
> Any info about how they work?
>
> Merci,
>
>



Old Dec 10, 2005, 10:11 AM
Ed Paasch
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

Agreed, landing is a big part of the fun. Why on Earth would you want to
automate the landings, even if you could?

"JACOB" <JAC@golden.net> wrote in message
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> It's called a large scale human pilot!
> <Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
> news:439a9506$0$9286$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
>> airplanes?
>> Any info about how they work?
>>
>> Merci,
>>
>>

>
>



Old Dec 10, 2005, 10:11 AM
Kjell Aanvik
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

Combined with lots of practise

"JACOB" <JAC@golden.net>

> It's called a large scale human pilot!
> <Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
> news:439a9506$0$9286$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
>> airplanes?
>> Any info about how they work?
>>
>> Merci,
>>
>>

>
>



Old Dec 10, 2005, 12:11 PM
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:40:21 +1100, <Ayem Cipteke> wrote in
<439a9506$0$9286$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>:

>Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
>airplanes?


Not that I know of.

>Any info about how they work?


You should look into the aerial robotics competitions:
<http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/AUVS/IARCLaunchPoint.html>.

I think automated takeoff and landing is part of their
standard regimen. It requires supplementary GPS
equipment (to give centimeter resolution), onboard
data processing, and telemetry to make it work
(bi-directional data communications).

Good luck with you project!

Marty
Old Dec 10, 2005, 12:11 PM
Storm's Hamburgers
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

All of my planes have auto landing. If I fail to give the proper inputs to
land they will eventually land themselves. It's usually a one-shot deal
then. I have yet to leave one in thea air.

mk


<Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
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> Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
> airplanes?
> Any info about how they work?
>
> Merci,
>
>



Old Dec 10, 2005, 12:11 PM
Geoff Sanders
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

It is not too difficult to install a directional gyro for landing
assist, but, as has been stated above, lots of practice with smaller
models will eliminate the need for automated assistance - unless you
simply want to make such a system.

Bonne chance!

Ayem Cipteke wrote:

>Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
>airplanes?
>Any info about how they work?
>
>Merci,
>
>
>
>


Old Dec 10, 2005, 02:11 PM
JACK
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

You could try a ballistic parachute!
"Geoff Sanders" <geoffs@hevanet.com> wrote in message
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> It is not too difficult to install a directional gyro for landing assist,
> but, as has been stated above, lots of practice with smaller models will
> eliminate the need for automated assistance - unless you simply want to
> make such a system.
>
> Bonne chance!
>
> Ayem Cipteke wrote:
>
>>Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
>>airplanes?
>>Any info about how they work?
>>
>>Merci,
>>
>>
>>

>



Old Dec 11, 2005, 04:11 AM
news
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

I have successfully used a Futaba PA2 to "sort of" do an autoland. I set up
a fairly stable trainer with the PA2 so that it flew with a slightly nose
high attitude. The you just close the throttle and "steer" the model with
the rudder. Like I said, "sort of" autoland. My party trick was to line it
up on the runway with the rudder and put the TX on the ground. Won't work on
windy days.!!



<Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
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> Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
> airplanes?
> Any info about how they work?
>
> Merci,
>
>



Old Dec 11, 2005, 04:11 AM
quietguy
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

Co-Pilot landed my plane very nicely when it was out of my sight behind some
trees - three point landing, not a scratch on the plane, and it (luckily I
guess) avoided a flock of sheep in that paddock

David

news wrote:

> I have successfully used a Futaba PA2 to "sort of" do an autoland. I set up
> a fairly stable trainer with the PA2 so that it flew with a slightly nose
> high attitude. The you just close the throttle and "steer" the model with
> the rudder. Like I said, "sort of" autoland. My party trick was to line it
> up on the runway with the rudder and put the TX on the ground. Won't work on
> windy days.!!
>
> <Ayem Cipteke> wrote in message
> news:439a9506$0$9286$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> > Is there any off the shelf auto landing systems for large scale model
> > airplanes?
> > Any info about how they work?
> >
> > Merci,
> >
> >


Old Dec 11, 2005, 10:11 AM
Texas Pete
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:57 -0600, "Storm's Hamburgers"
<storms@hometowncomputing> wrote:

>All of my planes have auto landing. If I fail to give the proper inputs to
>land they will eventually land themselves. It's usually a one-shot deal
>then. I have yet to leave one in thea air.
>
>mk


"All... ...planes have auto landing." It really is that simple.
Very good answer.

Texas Pete
Old Dec 11, 2005, 12:11 PM
Ed Forsythe
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

All of us "old f---s", frequently reviled by the unwashed noobs, have
learned to discern between "landing" and "crash." Not too difficult once
you get the hang of it ;-))
--
TallyHo!
Ed
"Texas Pete" <petekerez@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:57 -0600, "Storm's Hamburgers"
> <storms@hometowncomputing> wrote:
>
>>All of my planes have auto landing. If I fail to give the proper inputs
>>to
>>land they will eventually land themselves. It's usually a one-shot deal
>>then. I have yet to leave one in thea air.
>>
>>mk

>
> "All... ...planes have auto landing." It really is that simple.
> Very good answer.
>
> Texas Pete



Old Dec 12, 2005, 10:11 AM
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:56:22 -0800, Abel Pranger <abel_pranger@ohiostate1.com>
wrote in <i3vpp1ttnssmrrtbqs1eemdjsrsjs104v7@4ax.com>:

>The Safety Code recommendations of the Safety Committee that were
>incorporated included a restriction that models not be flown beyond
>unaided LOS, and it is clear that applies generally, no exception made
>for models with autonomous controls. That's a huge difference from
>Maynard's record Atlantic-crossing model. Other SC provisions
>preclude flying over unprotected people.


These seem reasonable to me.

> Significant differences here
>are


>1) DB circumvented theaction of the EC ostensibly elected to
>represent us to impose his paranoia as AMA policy ...


I suppose if the EC thinks he overstepped his authority,
they can call for his resignation. It may be that he did
what they wanted him to.

Please note: I'm not defending DB. If he did something
wrong, then he should be called to account. I'm just
imagining a different scenario that might explain his
action.

>2) it imposes
>prior restraint on activity already proscribed by the AMA SC. Why
>have a Safety Code if insurance exclusions preempt any exercise of
>personal responsibility and judgement?


From the way you describe it, the Safety Code and the insurance
policy are lined up together: the AMA doesn't want us flying
our planes outside the boundaries of our flying fields and our
insurance policy won't cover us if we do this intentionally.

That said, I think aerial robotics is cool (apart from our
enemies dropping cruise missiles on us) and I wish all
civilian business people well in developing them.

>IMHO, AMA policy should not be
>the product of manipulation of the insurance policy exclusions. I
>hear over and over that AMA is not an insurance company, though that
>denial has an increasingly hollow echo.


If the AMA didn't offer insurance, I probably wouldn't be
a member. I did go on pilgrimage to Muncie and recommend
it heartily as a vacation stop for anyone in the area--the museum
is fabulous and it was a thrill to fly there. I met Charlie Nelson,
saw his Waco in his van, watched him do two quick flights
with a funny little training bipe, and got some flying tips from him.

I also met some other nice people at the flight line. It was a
great afternoon.

I may get involved in competition some day--the AMA does
a great job there, by and large, for the competitive types.

So, on balance, I'm not all that unhappy with the AMA as it
exists today.

Marty
Old Dec 12, 2005, 04:11 PM
Doug McLaren
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

In article <stlpp1p5ij8h4baicmejllk90fl60r4t0b@4ax.com>,
Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:

| I can see that the liability for an accident could be huge--even
| disastrous for the AMA.

Why disasterous? That's what insurance policy limits are for.

A single huge claim would certainly hurt the AMA or it's insurer
badly, but they must be able to absorb at least one such claim at the
limit of the claim before going under ...

| Autonomous aerial vehicles probably should be dealing
| with the FAA and other agencies. Maynard Hill's Atlantic
| crossing was a special event

If I recall my timeline properly, it also predated the `no autonomous
flight' AMA policy. They crossed the Atlantic on August 11, 2003 --
was it the 2004 or 2005 AMA regulations that first prohibited
autonomous flight? I'm thinking it's 2005.

| (Dave Brown landed the plane in Ireland)

Of course, it shouldn't matter who landed it, as long as they're
competent to do so. (And would the AMA insurance have covered Dave if
something went wrong in Ireland? )

| that probably had pretty slim chance of hitting anybody en route.

Probably.

Though of course the AMA regulations don't apply if you're not a
member, and you can ignore them at will even if you are a member as
long as you realize that they won't insure you for anything.

(Though Maynard is probably a special case, and the AMA would probably
bend over backwards to accomodate any of his attempts to break world
records, even if they technically break their safety rules,
eespecially if he lets the AMA president play a public role.)

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
After their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to
suspect Hungry.
Old Dec 12, 2005, 06:11 PM
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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Re: Auto landing systems for large scale model airplanes

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:01:34 GMT, dougmc@frenzy.com (Doug McLaren) wrote in
<Oylnf.41561$Au1.35177@tornado.texas.rr.com>:

>In article <stlpp1p5ij8h4baicmejllk90fl60r4t0b@4ax.com>,
>Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski@canisius.edu> wrote:


>| I can see that the liability for an accident could be huge--even
>| disastrous for the AMA.


>Why disastrous? That's what insurance policy limits are for.


Bad things happen in court when bad things happen
out on the street. I can imagine lawyers looking for
ways to sue AMA and claim more than the "policy
limits" allow.

I may be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. ;o)

Marty
 


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