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Old Nov 01, 2005, 08:55 PM
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New ECM Apogee 400 R/E !!!!!! Build Thread

Ok, So you all thought the only thing I flew was Boomers, cause they are cool:-).
Well, when I found out the Jose Bruzual from Enduro Composite Models was starting the manufacture of his new APOGEE 400 R/E during a conversation on the ins and out of the hobby biz, I was drooling to get ahold of one.

Low and behold the mailman dropped of a surprise yesterday.
Can you say, happy as a kid in a candy store? This thing is awsome.
Knowing a couple things about building I have to say that the finish on all these Micro parts is fabulous .

Its amazing that you can get such a great surface on parts this small Jose.
The pod is light as half a feather and the fit of the nose is perfect.
Being that this is an apogee I grabbed my magnifying glass and checked out all the small lazer cut parts (Exellent again).

Then On to the wing! I am sitting here smirking from ear to ear at the wing and tail feathers. All are of great quality, cutting is top notch, and agian the finish is to die for.

Jose, after opening the box, you have surpassed what I though the kit would look like by a mile man. What do you do in that shop? you must be using micro tools, tweezers and one hell of a micrometer to make this stuff. Thank You,
It is rare to get more than you expect and I am harder to please than the average Joe.

I have added some pictures below and will start one hell of a build thread when I finish my write up on the Helicopter I am working on, should be done with the chopper this weekend and then....... Back to my passion of gliders.
Now I have to go find some servos, and batts from lilliput hobbies:-).

Found his site, www.flyecm.com
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Old Nov 01, 2005, 11:19 PM
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Boomer,

Check Aircraft World for some extra small servos that should be just right for the Apogee.

How about doing a weight write up of the kit parts?

What is the root chord of the wing? Looks much wider than my Apogee/MiniG40's.

Gary
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Old Nov 02, 2005, 07:21 PM
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Hey thanks for the link on the servo's Gary (You Da Man)

I hope to be starting some information on this kit by the end of next week.

the Wings are to spec I think but will post the cord for ya soon.

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 06:46 PM
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Hey jeb, if you are looking at this thread, were do i use the carbon sheet?

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 06:55 PM
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Root measure answer for gary

Gary, from what I measure the root from
leading edge to where the glass feathers at the back is
Roughly 6-14 inches.
The fit on the pod is perfect.
And the kit is very well made in general bud.
I will get you those weights soon.

Mike
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Old Nov 04, 2005, 07:00 PM
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oooh, I like this little guy! Only 4 oz ready to fly! My homebrew version came out just under 7. I like it!
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Old Nov 04, 2005, 07:31 PM
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I like it too.
Its like a micro precision Super G
shrunk down to almost nothing.
I believe this will wind up being like the cadillac of
Micro RC gliders, everything is very precise.
Although as the instructions say the build is really not for
a newbee, incredible attention to weight and details is needed with
this ship.
Back to my heli review:-)

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 07:52 PM
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Hi Mike,

The Apogee 400 has a 157 mm long root cord, same as the original Apogee 40" plans, and the Unicarbon is to reinforce the stab mount, you don't need that much I sent you a lot more than you will ever need.

Get building ;-)

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 08:27 PM
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Mike,

This is what you are shooting for, but you are going to need a gram scale.

Boom should be (measuring from the widest to smallest end) 446 mm long and weigh 7gms
Pod (three peaces) 9gms
Wings: 44 gm (combined) between 21 22 gm each
Stab: 4 gms (which is heavier than I like, but did it for strength)
Fin: 3 gms
Total for the following: bulkhead, screws, nut, control horns, stab mount, stab plates (tear drop like): about 1gms
Final push rods and casing: about 1gms (cut to size)

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gear

11 gm -- Rx. FMA M5
4gm (each) Servos: Dymonds D44
13 gm Battery: 3x1 1AAA
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Parts Total 68gms
Gear Total 32 - 34 gms
Glue: 3 to 4 gms

Total 106 gms (106 grams = 3.73 ounces)
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Old Nov 04, 2005, 08:40 PM
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Jeb,

Thanks for the weights. Interesting that you can make the wings that weigh less than Mark's original. Best I can do is 50g. Is this foam Highload 60 or spyder foam or one of the lighter ones?

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 08:52 PM
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Gary,

Those are the weights for individual panels, when you add the glue, and reinforcing glass it goes up close to 51g. I use HL 60.

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Old Nov 04, 2005, 09:16 PM
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Looks beauitiful. What's the price going to be?
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Old Nov 04, 2005, 11:26 PM
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It is John, every time I open the box i need to keep a napkin under my chin to catch the drool.
go to www.flyecm.com for pricing and info John.
it isnt cheap by any means but it certainly appears to be the true Super G of micro gliders. I love the design of this thing, That mark Drela is so smart:-)

Jeb thank you for letting me rip this baby up for review. I should be starting by next friday and as usual with most builds it will most likely be done first week of December. I am not about to rush the build on this thing although i think I will have my Eyes checked cause everything looks so small

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Old Nov 05, 2005, 04:49 AM
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Jeb,

Is there a rough estimate on the release date of these? If Mike is done in December... I assume it will be after that?

-Mike #2
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Old Nov 05, 2005, 10:52 AM
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Hutch, I believe the Apogee 400 Can be ordered as I speak, but we will let Jose answer that for sure. The Model I have is the final beta designed for release and is
in my possession for a R/C Groups review. Due to the precise build required for this model (Cause its weeeeeee tiny) I am planning on taking more time to complete the review than normal.
Jose is a new manufacturer and I would like to build his plane by the book, using my utmost in care. this will assure that the model I build is up to ECM's high standards.
and assure that the review is in-depth and honest, for the readers here that know I will pull no punches on telling you what I think when the model is test flown.
being that I was once a manufacturer it is important to give your best when the review is for a new manufacturers starting model.

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