Brushless Blade E Z Upgrade

Tom in Cincy · Oct 28, 2005, 07:02 PM

This thread describes how to upgrade your Blade to brushless motors . There is no need to replace your radio, servo's, or gyro. You do need a brushless motor, a brushless speed controller, and a newly developed adapter board designed by Mr Rc-Cam. His adapter board takes the output of the Brushed controller and converts it to a signal that the Brushless controller can use to run the new motor. Its the key to this project.

You can start off by just doing the tail rotor. Its a very simple mod. The tail motor I used I had laying around. I think the main requirement for this motor is light weight for CG purposes.
If you have an old CDR type motor, your probably set. All I had to do was remove the old motor and ream out the hole till the CDR motor mount fit and then CA in place. Drill out the original tail rotor to fit on the motorshaft and Ca in place. You can use the existing red/ black wires and add a third for the brushless motor.
The black lead from the 4in1 tail motor output connects to the black wire on the adapter board. The new brushless speed controller plugs into the adapter board. Check for proper rotation, adjust the gyro gain and your done.
See
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430386 for the adapter board (about $30 )
Doing the main rotor is just as easy.
Tom

WarLordLAN · Oct 28, 2005, 08:19 PM

Thanks this is a big help!!!

Hugequark · Nov 01, 2005, 11:26 AM

I might be missing something, but do you splice the brushless ESC battery connecotrs to the 4n1's battery connector's? I'm thinking of doing this to the main motor.

Tom in Cincy · Nov 01, 2005, 01:42 PM

Yes, the new brushless speed controller's red and black wires attach to the same connector that the 4in 1 uses to connect to the battery. Its called a parallel connection. If you look closely in the first picture you will see 2 black wires (the black from the 4in1 and the black from the brushless speed controller and a green wire (the green is from a low battery voltage alarm) going to the negative terminal of the Deans Ultra battery connector. The red wire connections are hidden in the pic but are just below.

Hugequark · Nov 01, 2005, 02:23 PM

Got it now, thanks. Just ordered a powerzone, brushless here I come. Since I havent had any issues with my tail motor, gonna do the main motor. I have an extra park 370, think It'll do? Off topic, sorry.

Tom in Cincy · Nov 01, 2005, 02:51 PM

I don't think its off topic. From what I can tell the E-Flite 3600kV brushless motor with 9t pinion has been used or a Himax 2015-3600 w/10 t pinion.
Others have used the Himax 2015-4100 motor. Lots of good options.

Hugequark · Nov 01, 2005, 03:23 PM

Ok, thanks Tom. My powerzone is on it's way!

cat5 · Nov 01, 2005, 03:33 PM

cdr motor? Is that brushless or you mean a cdrom motor? Sorry Im not familiar with the brushless stuff yet.

Hugequark · Nov 01, 2005, 04:11 PM

Hey I know this one. Yeah, cdr is a brushless motor. Typically a converted cd rom motor. You can get kits too. I just ordered one from gobrushless.com. I'm getting tired of spending a lot for brushless motors.

cat5 · Nov 01, 2005, 04:33 PM

Thanks Hugequark. So it's converted from cdrom but is it hard to do? I don't mind trying is there a guide?

Flyin Brick · Nov 01, 2005, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cat5

Thanks Hugequark. So it's converted from cdrom but is it hard to do? I don't mind trying is there a guide?

its simple to build the cdr motors....i have one on my wattage mirage...built it for under $10.... I want to put one on my micro heli too...looks easier than i thought....

Hugequark · Nov 01, 2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cat5

Thanks Hugequark. So it's converted from cdrom but is it hard to do? I don't mind trying is there a guide?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345301

Check this out on the power systems forum. Doesn't look too hard. You just gotta have the right parts. That's why I ordered a kit with all the parts first. It was only 9 bucks. I'll see how that one works out and maybe I'll just start making my own.

cat5 · Nov 01, 2005, 04:58 PM

Thanks Hugequark, I will read into it so when I have time I will get into it

But I heard some say the cdrom motors will perform as good or longer than the brushless isn't it? Or maybe those cdrom motors are brushless ones

ToddL · Nov 01, 2005, 11:26 PM

Can someone explain to me please why a powerzone should be used for the main motor instead of just using a Y from the receiver throttle signal wire and go into a brushless speed controller?

Thanks

Hugequark · Nov 02, 2005, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddL

Can someone explain to me please why a powerzone should be used for the main motor instead of just using a Y from the receiver throttle signal wire and go into a brushless speed controller?

Thanks

From what I understand you can't do it. The throttle signal is just electricity going to the motor- 2 wires. It is not the same as the signal from a Rx throttle channel- 3 wires. The powerzone converts the 2 wire signal to the 3 wire Rx signal. The 4in1 has internal brushed esc's, without the powerzone you'd have to go seperates. Probably not the best explanation...

Oct 28, 2005, 07:02 PM	#1
Tom in Cincy Tom Para Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, United States Posts: 809	Brushless Blade E Z Upgrade This thread describes how to upgrade your Blade to brushless motors . There is no need to replace your radio, servo's, or gyro. You do need a brushless motor, a brushless speed controller, and a newly developed adapter board designed by Mr Rc-Cam. His adapter board takes the output of the Brushed controller and converts it to a signal that the Brushless controller can use to run the new motor. Its the key to this project. You can start off by just doing the tail rotor. Its a very simple mod. The tail motor I used I had laying around. I think the main requirement for this motor is light weight for CG purposes. If you have an old CDR type motor, your probably set. All I had to do was remove the old motor and ream out the hole till the CDR motor mount fit and then CA in place. Drill out the original tail rotor to fit on the motorshaft and Ca in place. You can use the existing red/ black wires and add a third for the brushless motor. The black lead from the 4in1 tail motor output connects to the black wire on the adapter board. The new brushless speed controller plugs into the adapter board. Check for proper rotation, adjust the gyro gain and your done. See http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430386 for the adapter board (about $30 ) Doing the main rotor is just as easy. Tom Attached Thumbnails 25.5 KB · Views: 1776 22.4 KB · Views: 1963 37.9 KB · Views: 2557 41.5 KB · Views: 2541 34.9 KB · Views: 2870 Last edited by Tom in Cincy; Oct 28, 2005 at 08:23 PM.

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WarLordLAN Real men breath methane Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lubbock TX Posts: 101	Thanks this is a big help!!!

Nov 01, 2005, 11:26 AM	#3
Hugequark 4 8 15 16 23 42 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,528	I might be missing something, but do you splice the brushless ESC battery connecotrs to the 4n1's battery connector's? I'm thinking of doing this to the main motor.

Nov 01, 2005, 01:42 PM	#4
Tom in Cincy Tom Para Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, United States Posts: 809	Yes, the new brushless speed controller's red and black wires attach to the same connector that the 4in 1 uses to connect to the battery. Its called a parallel connection. If you look closely in the first picture you will see 2 black wires (the black from the 4in1 and the black from the brushless speed controller and a green wire (the green is from a low battery voltage alarm) going to the negative terminal of the Deans Ultra battery connector. The red wire connections are hidden in the pic but are just below.

Nov 01, 2005, 02:23 PM	#5
Hugequark 4 8 15 16 23 42 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,528	Got it now, thanks. Just ordered a powerzone, brushless here I come. Since I havent had any issues with my tail motor, gonna do the main motor. I have an extra park 370, think It'll do? Off topic, sorry.

Nov 01, 2005, 02:51 PM	#6
Tom in Cincy Tom Para Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, United States Posts: 809	I don't think its off topic. From what I can tell the E-Flite 3600kV brushless motor with 9t pinion has been used or a Himax 2015-3600 w/10 t pinion. Others have used the Himax 2015-4100 motor. Lots of good options.

Nov 01, 2005, 03:23 PM	#7
Hugequark 4 8 15 16 23 42 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,528	Ok, thanks Tom. My powerzone is on it's way!

Nov 01, 2005, 03:33 PM	#8
cat5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR US Posts: 966	cdr motor? Is that brushless or you mean a cdrom motor? Sorry Im not familiar with the brushless stuff yet.

Nov 01, 2005, 04:11 PM	#9
Hugequark 4 8 15 16 23 42 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,528	Hey I know this one. Yeah, cdr is a brushless motor. Typically a converted cd rom motor. You can get kits too. I just ordered one from gobrushless.com. I'm getting tired of spending a lot for brushless motors.

Nov 01, 2005, 04:33 PM	#10
cat5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR US Posts: 966	Thanks Hugequark. So it's converted from cdrom but is it hard to do? I don't mind trying is there a guide?

Nov 01, 2005, 04:58 PM	#13
cat5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR US Posts: 966	Thanks Hugequark, I will read into it so when I have time I will get into it But I heard some say the cdrom motors will perform as good or longer than the brushless isn't it? Or maybe those cdrom motors are brushless ones

Nov 01, 2005, 11:26 PM	#14
ToddL Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chandler, AZ, USA Posts: 163	Can someone explain to me please why a powerzone should be used for the main motor instead of just using a Y from the receiver throttle signal wire and go into a brushless speed controller? Thanks