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Old Oct 27, 2005, 07:25 PM
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gwinn aircar

can somebody out there please help me find drawings or picturs of this strange bird
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 08:07 PM
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Hmmm... maybe... I'll start searching my old magazines. I think I have plans for a FF rubber model of it. (I know one of the old magazines at least has 3-views...)
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Old Oct 27, 2005, 09:54 PM
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it would be awsome if you could find those articales
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 03:57 AM
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Results so far:

In November 1938 Flying Aces are 3-views which are to scale, but with no scale listed for building a solid model.

In December 1939 Flying aces I found a SMALL photo showing an almost front view of the aircraft.

Unfortunately, my scanner is not working However, I am attempting to get useful photos of the pages with my digital camera. The small photo is not comming out... and resizing so I can upload is not doing the full page photos any good...

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BTW... Flying Aces later became Flying Models.
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 10:07 AM
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I can remember there was an article about air racers in either AIRPOWER or WINGS back in the early 1980's which featured aircraft designers also. In the article was several pictures of the Gwinn, plus a discussion about the use. It got revised a few times before they gave up trying to produce it in quantity.

A fellow about one year ago sent me a web source with a WHOLE bunch of aircraft manufacturers noted. The Gwinn was noted there briefly and had a three view associated with the page.

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Old Oct 28, 2005, 03:13 PM
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Turns out those are the only 2 issues i have with info on the Gwinn.

24 ft span. the one in the picture you have (and the pictures I have) has no rudder, the fuselage is a dark blue, wings are natural aluminum color, Number on the wing is black, lettering on the fuselage is white.

This wasn't a "flying car" The wings do not fold or come off for driving on the road. (there were a bunch of people trying to make flying cars in the 30's and 40's though...) This was meant to be an economy airplane that the average family could afford, and just about anyone could figure out how to fly safely. (none of those ideas ever really worked out... something about any time you make something idiot-proof, they make a "better" idiot)
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 06:26 PM
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thank you both for your help. i think i can work with that drawing but if you could find that web source would also be cool
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 06:51 PM
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Wasn't there a reference to the Aircar website on Thayer Symes' Free Flight Fantasy site?
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Old Oct 28, 2005, 10:55 PM
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unfortunately... I didn't get the magazine to lie flat... and I was using a camera instead of a scanner... its going to be a somewhat less than accurate model if done from the photo of the 3-view. If its just for your own building and flying pleasure... its good enough. If going for a scale competition its nowhere near good enough (and the 3 view by lacking a reference scale is invalid as competition documentation.)
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Old Oct 29, 2005, 02:00 AM
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i'm only doing this model for mysef as it itriges me .i love the strange and rare aircraft.this one gets built as soon as my lysander p.12 rubber power is done
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Old Nov 01, 2005, 10:36 PM
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something about any time you make something idiot-proof, they make a "better" idiot)
OK, that explains some of the problems I've been having!
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Old Nov 01, 2005, 11:35 PM
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Gwinn Aircar

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OK, that explains some of the problems I've been having!
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This is the airplane that Frank Hawks was killed in when he hit some wires on take off. A very interesting aircraft.
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Old Nov 02, 2005, 09:20 AM
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Condor.....

Best I can remember is the special issue magazine I had seen had something to do with Frank Hawks. There was a picture around of him standing in front of the A/C with two starlets, just minutes before taking off and crashing.

I think the original Gwinn design had a rudder similar looking to the original GeeBee R. Very small. It got larger and larger.

The little radial engine was something of an odd-ball if I remember also.


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Old Nov 02, 2005, 12:10 PM
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The Aerofiles picture is the first one. The engine was a geared Pobjoy 90 hp (note the left turning props) later upgraded to the 125 hp Pobjoy Niagra and a second prop to handel the additional power (hence the 4 blades, actually one prop bolted in front the other).
It was a two control (no rudder pedals) airplane. There was a foot pedal (like a brake pedal in a car) tha lowered the flaps.
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Old Nov 03, 2005, 11:13 PM
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awsome pics condor lots of detail questions answerd thanks alot know i need to go modify my plans
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