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Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:11 PM
Fishing Guy
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What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?

By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.

I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
where they cross.

Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).

Any ideas?
Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:11 PM
J Rogers
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Bad idea

join the two together with a good blood knot


"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?



Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:11 PM
Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Fishing Guy wrote:

> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?


Fishing Guy:
Check out this site: This to That (Glue Advice) -
http://www.thistothat.com/

Think you can find an adhesive to glue "water to oil" there.

Good luck,

Ray
Austin, TX
===


Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:11 PM
Chuck Jones
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

What's the intended application? Are you using the fishing line for
fishing? Or do you have some other use in mind?


"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?



Old Oct 23, 2005, 12:11 PM
adelphia direct
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Pacer / ZAP has a product called Plasti-ZAP that may help. Its a
cyanoacrylate that has additives that make it bond to plastics. Nothing
short of a knot or a weld will give you much strength however.

"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?



Old Oct 23, 2005, 02:11 PM
BillP
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

>
> Think you can find an adhesive to glue "water to oil" there.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Ray
> Austin, TX
> ===
>
>


Ray, most alcohols, especially the shorter cabon strings are miscible in
both water and many oils...
We used butyl alcohols (longer chains) years ago on a cattle ranch to
cover the surface of water ponds to considerably lessen evaporation rates.
The alcohol chain at one end (the "OH" ion) was in solution in the water
and it's tail was sort of wagging in the air and would not readily
evaporate. The alcohol would spread somewhat evenly over the surface of
the ponds.
Since the alcohol OH ion is "in solution", there is lettle reason to
think the carbon end of the alcohol molocule won't also be "in solution"
with the oil as well, bonding them together..
A pint of isopropyl alcohol, as an example, in the gas tank of most
vehicles and farm equipment, will mix condensation and gasoline
tegether,and out the tail pipe it all goes...

cheers!!

Bill
Old Oct 23, 2005, 02:11 PM
Wolfgang
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?


"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?


Don't know if it'll help you at all but, for what it's worth.......

Glues and other adhesives do not typically form the kind of chemical bond
you're looking for. What you're describing is fusion, as opposed to
adhesion.....altogether different kinds of bonding. Fusion results in
strong bonding, theoretically as strong as the material itself (although not
necessarily stronger than adhesion). However, it tends to be impractical
for thin strands of long chain polymers (like nylon monofilament) because it
necessarily disrupts the integrity of the strands. Whether done chemically
or via heat, you have to melt both strands at the point where they meet.
This is fine, IF you can confine the melting to precisely that point but
that is, practically speaking, virtually impossible. You're always going to
do some damage to both strands on either side of the weld and this
inevitably results in weakening them. Best to stick (heh, heh) with an
adhesive designed for the job, I think. Sorry I can't help you with what
that might be.

Wolfgang


Old Oct 23, 2005, 02:11 PM
Anthony Cesaroni
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Go to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html and search Cesaroni.
See U.S. patent # 5,039,370. The formulation creates an amorphous condition
on the surface of polyamide (nylon) then it re-crystallizes when heat is
applied.

Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(410) 571-8292 Annapolis


"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?



Old Oct 23, 2005, 02:11 PM
Paul McIntosh
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Not many things will bond nylon with any kind of strength. I might suggest
using one of the new aramid fiber lines such as Spider Wire or Fireline.
You can use CA or epoxy on these.

--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
> What type of glue or adhesive will bond monofilament fishing line?
>
> By bond, I mean form a real chemical bond from one strand of fishing
> line to another, and not simply form a hard shell around the strands
> where they can still be pulled through after the adhesive cures.
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.
>
> Heating the strands to bond them together doesn't seem to work in a
> predicatable way because the strands are too small (we're talking
> about 10 to 15 lb fishing line).
>
> Any ideas?



Old Oct 23, 2005, 02:11 PM
Marc Heusser
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

In article <435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com>, Fishing Guy <Fishing@Guy.com>
wrote:

> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.


Search for the appropriate knot in Ashley's Book of Knots.

HTH

Marc

--
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<http://www.heusser.com>
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Old Oct 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
Fishing Guy
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Paul McIntosh wrote:

> Not many things will bond nylon with any kind of strength.


What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the
same thing?)

> I might suggest using one of the new aramid fiber
> lines such as Spider Wire or Fireline.
> You can use CA or epoxy on these.


Interesting. Are all sized of Spider Wire or Fireline made from
aramid fiber, or do I have to look specifically for "aramid fiber" on
the package?
Old Oct 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
Robert Scott
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?


"Fishing Guy" <Fishing@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com...
>
> I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> where they cross.



I second the Blood Knot recommendation. It's what I use to tie a dropper on
a fly fishing leader... it leaves the tag ends of the knot perpendicular to
the standing line.

Good flying,
desmobob


Old Oct 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
John O. Kopf
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

go to http://www.thistothat.com/

JK



Marc Heusser wrote:
>
> In article <435BA56A.BA7CD611@Guy.com>, Fishing Guy <Fishing@Guy.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I understand that most fishing line is basically nylon, and if so I
> > guess I'm looking for an adhesive specifically for nylon (yes?). I'm
> > trying to bond short pieces of fishing line across (or perpendicular
> > to) a longer length of line. So the glue would be applied at the node
> > where they cross.

>
> Search for the appropriate knot in Ashley's Book of Knots.
>
> HTH
>
> Marc
>
> --
> Switzerland/Europe
> <http://www.heusser.com>
> remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail

Old Oct 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
Fishing Guy
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

"John O. Kopf" wrote:

> go to http://www.thistothat.com/


That site is not specific enough (or, in other words, it's too
general).

It doesn't have a "nylon to nylon" selection.
Old Oct 23, 2005, 04:11 PM
Kevin Trojanowski
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Re: What glue or adhesive will bond fishing line (nylon?) ?

Fishing Guy wrote:

> What about fiberglass resin (or phenolic resin - or maybe they're the
> same thing?)


"fiberglass resin" doesn't (strictly speaking) exist, but most often it
refers to a polyester resin. Polyester, phenolic and epoxy resins are
all different animals, and thus have different names.

> Interesting. Are all sized of Spider Wire or Fireline made from
> aramid fiber, or do I have to look specifically for "aramid fiber" on
> the package?


Yes, they will probably indicate somewhere that they're an aramid, or
they may have a brand name such as Kevlar.

-Kevin
 


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