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Old Oct 12, 2005, 04:33 PM
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Beginner's S400 Racer: Should I build from plan or buy ARF?

Hi, I have never flown anything faster than 40mph. Something easy to launch and land. Something that uses S400 motor and KAN1050 cells. What plan/kit/ARF would you recommend?

After reading the wonderful plan of Sargeant's S400 Racer, I feel encouraged to build one. Mind you I have not built from plan before.

I also notice there's a few kits or ARF available online in the $100 mark.

Appreciate different viewpoints, thanks.
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Old Oct 12, 2005, 07:21 PM
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Shoot for a the largest wing area you can find. The speed won't be a problem for you (the throttle works both ways), but the handling might. If you build, go at least 140 sq. in., 160 being preferred. I don't know if the Micron is still available, but it might be a good choice for you.

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Old Oct 12, 2005, 07:55 PM
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You might have a look at Esprit models "Demon" or perhaps the "Zombie". I just purchased a Demon and have yet to build it but the quality is very nice and there is little left to do . If you are intersted I can shoot some pics of what it looks like out of the box. I was basically looking for the same thing you were and I liked the looks of this, although I do have experience flying somewhat fast models I don't think this one will be tough to fly, the web site says: "Looks like a hotliner, flies like a trainer. Use regular Speed 400 set-up for really good performance or go brushless for hot performance." Of course I went with the brushless setup but it is very light and should perform well on a 400 and the KAN 1050's should fit.
here's a link.
www.espritmodel.com/hotliner_demon.html

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Old Oct 13, 2005, 05:31 AM
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The Simple 400 makes an excellent stepping stone into faster S400 powered planes. Hard to beat the price. (~$29)
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 10:31 AM
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I really like the nooner.I fly that on a 16/15/4,TP3s2100 lipoly pack,5.5x4.5 prop.Plane is easy to fly,and really grooves.Also fly a demon on a 16/15/3,TP3s2100 lipoly pack,4.7x4.7 prop, good performer. modified mine so I used a servo for each aileron.The key to these pylon racers is to use minmal throws especially on elevator so they are not twitchy.You will be amazed at how little throw is necessary. Also better to be slightly nose heavy then tail heavy.Good Luck,DAVE
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 12:08 PM
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I was interetsed in the Sokol but it could be hard to launch and land.

Dave, can you tell me more about the micron? Someone tells me it is made by a Canadian named soxbox?

Greg, where do you get the Simple400? From that price, it sounds like a kit. Does it requires wings glassing/bagging skills?

Shhhhh, (did I typed in enough 'h's?), have you tried the nooner on stocked 400 motor? This kit is available to me for about US$100.
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 04:43 PM
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Glad to hear that the Demon is a good flyer, it now comes ready for 2 seperate servos in the wings, I guess that was the major complaint about the old version so they modified it. Mine has a red wing but I didn't get that cool DEMON sticker!

Scott
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Old Oct 13, 2005, 07:06 PM
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RKHOO: I have never flown the nooner on a speed 400,only brushless.In the long run then brushless motors are actually cheaper then speed 400 motors.Much better power and you can always throttle back! None the less the nooner should fly fine on a speed 400.shhhhh! Five h's and one !
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 12:39 AM
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I was interetsed in the Sokol but it could be hard to launch and land.
The sokol from memory is a very quick plane. Are you after very quick, or some thing to wet your feet first?

The "speedster", by Jonas Leander is a very nice model and goes very well. If you look in the gallery section, mine is the second one down with the blue fuselage and white wings. His webpage is:

http://www.geocities.com/i96_les/

Or just do a search for "jonas leander", and get his webpage from there. His thread to this plane is :

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ght=speedster+

Cheers
Glen

PS: you mentioned the Mircon by "sobox". Has anybody had trouble getting to the Sobox website. I JUST can't find it anymore. Are they no longer in business????
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 06:21 AM
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Yep, the Micron is from Sobox. It has a foam wing with balsa skins, precovered-read: repairable. Fuse is glass, I've never flown one, but looking at the "kit" it should be pretty sporty..

Dave
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 01:59 PM
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My current pylon plane is a Micron with the Calgary wing. I picked up a second one on EBay with the regular wing. I really like this plane - fast enough to be fun, lands easily so you stay out of the shop. I've heard similar things about the Nooner also.
Best approach--- build a Speedster while you're waiting for a fiberglass beauty to arrive.
George
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 02:16 PM
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I guess this is not a serious racer but it has the spirit.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115335
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Old Oct 15, 2005, 11:13 PM
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The simple 400 is a kit however it has a foam wing... It's pretty fast and a nice intro to speed 400 pylon racing
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Old Oct 16, 2005, 04:54 PM
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Anyone knows who carries these kits in Canada?
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Old Oct 17, 2005, 11:27 AM
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Simple 400

This is a very easy to build kit and is easy on the pocket book. It has a VERY strong wing that can take a lot of abuse - including sticking a prop blade through it on a less then adequate meeting with the ground. After many crashes that requires some quick fix to the fuse the wing has held up great. Start with the 6v 400 and work up to a brushless then go big time. At $30 and a roll of colored film - in your choice of color- love those kits - its a gread plane.
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