Formula One Scale Racing

El Pe · May 14, 2002, 04:42 AM

I am new to this forum, so throw all the stones you want.

Is there a class of racing for the Sp400 class of motors like the control line Scale Racing class of airplanes? Those are based on a profile 1/12th scale model of a full scale Formula One aircraft.

I did a search on this but didn't turn anything up. This would seem a natural for this size motor.

Thanks,

Lee

Tuomas Pietinen · May 14, 2002, 05:15 AM

Unlikely there is any wider interest, since the pylon 400 planes like Stinger are so much more advanced aerodynamically and faster than anything that is thick and has wheels...They would look nice, though, but then it would have to be more like a vintage scale contest rather than "fastest with sp 400" contest.

DaveSawers · May 14, 2002, 11:53 AM

There was a movement to start up some racing using something like the Jim Ryan Speed 400 warbirds. Don't think it came to anything though.

Troy · May 14, 2002, 06:17 PM

I wouldn't want to race anything that pretty

Somebody did come out with a little Cosmic Wind looking S400 plane some time back. I haven't heard anything since. It looked really nice, glass fuse, foam wing, landing gear and everything. You guys remember that thing?

PylonWorld · May 14, 2002, 11:53 PM

Model Airplane News had a Speed 400 powered Shoestring that they sell the plans for. I think Pat Trittle designed it. I've seen it in the plans section of MAN recently.

There was a proposed warbirds racing class, but it seems it went nowhere. That may soon change. The new Wattage P-51 Reno Racer (see the thread in this forum) shows promise for a scale racing class and the series of warbirds by Seriously Fun Models look good for racing.

Tuomas is probably correct that the primary interest will stay on the sleek molded planes that a lot of people are just fun flying for the most part at the moment. Even the Open Speed 400, F5D-400, or whatever you want to call it class is not in the rulebook. (Guys, I'll be posting a message about this shortly)

But there is always the chance that a different type of class could become popular. Q-500 and QM-40 dominate AMA Internal Combustion Pylon Racing, but there is a lot of House of Balsa AT-6 sport racing going on, and a lot of warbird ARF racing in various flavors. Plus there is Giant Scale, but it is limited by the giant scale budgets required to field a team.

Kevin Matney of Matney Models still sells his QM-15 Formula 1 planes (scroll to bottom of page) that were designed for .15 sized engines, but he says they are great for electric conversion, although with motors somewhat larger than Speed 400.

El Pe · May 17, 2002, 02:35 AM

Thanks for the replies, guys.

What I was hoping for was an event with PROFILE fuselage 1/12th scale racers with or without landing gear, depending on the field surface.

Also I was thinking to have a set number of laps required with a minimum of one pit stop to change the battery pack. This would require packs assembled to slip into a box with firm contacts for quick change.

Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but in all the Radio Controlled racing events of which I am aware, none require a pit stop. From my previous racing experience, having a pit stop can really be exciting and separate the good, well prepared and lucky folks from the rest.

Maybe it is still a little early in the battery development phase for this, but it would sure be fun to try.

Thanks again,

Lee

PylonWorld · May 17, 2002, 09:19 AM

There is a club or group that runs enduro Quickie 500 racing. They have 100 lap and even a 300 lap races, all with multiple pit stops required. I don't have the link at my finger tips, but it's on the Racing Down Under web site, and it is listed in the International Racing section on PylonWorld.com.

DaveSawers · May 17, 2002, 10:59 AM

Pit stops can be extremely dangerous. Someone has to go and retrieve the model from the landing site. In a race situation, there is every possibility of someone retrieving when someone else wants to land. This procedure needs to be very carefully worked out.

PylonWorld · May 17, 2002, 11:18 AM

The link to the Pylon Down Under site is Pylon Racing - Australia Down Under.

The specific page is the Fun Sports Pylon Events.

May 14, 2002, 04:42 AM	#1
El Pe Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Northwest Territory Posts: 202	Formula One Scale Racing I am new to this forum, so throw all the stones you want. Is there a class of racing for the Sp400 class of motors like the control line Scale Racing class of airplanes? Those are based on a profile 1/12th scale model of a full scale Formula One aircraft. I did a search on this but didn't turn anything up. This would seem a natural for this size motor. Thanks, Lee

May 14, 2002, 05:15 AM	#2
Tuomas Pietinen F5D father Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 441	Doubt it Unlikely there is any wider interest, since the pylon 400 planes like Stinger are so much more advanced aerodynamically and faster than anything that is thick and has wheels...They would look nice, though, but then it would have to be more like a vintage scale contest rather than "fastest with sp 400" contest.

May 17, 2002, 10:59 AM	#8
DaveSawers Registered User Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Bragg Creek, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,529	Pit Stops Pit stops can be extremely dangerous. Someone has to go and retrieve the model from the landing site. In a race situation, there is every possibility of someone retrieving when someone else wants to land. This procedure needs to be very carefully worked out.

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May 14, 2002, 11:53 AM	#3
DaveSawers Registered User Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Bragg Creek, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,529	There was a movement to start up some racing using something like the Jim Ryan Speed 400 warbirds. Don't think it came to anything though.

May 14, 2002, 06:17 PM	#4
Troy My other car flies, no really. Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Oceanslide, CA Posts: 4,509	I wouldn't want to race anything that pretty Somebody did come out with a little Cosmic Wind looking S400 plane some time back. I haven't heard anything since. It looked really nice, glass fuse, foam wing, landing gear and everything. You guys remember that thing?

May 14, 2002, 11:53 PM	#5
PylonWorld Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Monroe, NC, USA Posts: 104	Model Airplane News had a Speed 400 powered Shoestring that they sell the plans for. I think Pat Trittle designed it. I've seen it in the plans section of MAN recently. There was a proposed warbirds racing class, but it seems it went nowhere. That may soon change. The new Wattage P-51 Reno Racer (see the thread in this forum) shows promise for a scale racing class and the series of warbirds by Seriously Fun Models look good for racing. Tuomas is probably correct that the primary interest will stay on the sleek molded planes that a lot of people are just fun flying for the most part at the moment. Even the Open Speed 400, F5D-400, or whatever you want to call it class is not in the rulebook. (Guys, I'll be posting a message about this shortly) But there is always the chance that a different type of class could become popular. Q-500 and QM-40 dominate AMA Internal Combustion Pylon Racing, but there is a lot of House of Balsa AT-6 sport racing going on, and a lot of warbird ARF racing in various flavors. Plus there is Giant Scale, but it is limited by the giant scale budgets required to field a *team. Kevin Matney of Matney Models* still sells his QM-15 Formula 1 planes (scroll to bottom of page) that were designed for .15 sized engines, but he says they are great for electric conversion, although with motors somewhat larger than Speed 400.

May 17, 2002, 02:35 AM	#6
El Pe Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Northwest Territory Posts: 202	Thanks for the replies, guys. What I was hoping for was an event with PROFILE fuselage 1/12th scale racers with or without landing gear, depending on the field surface. Also I was thinking to have a set number of laps required with a minimum of one pit stop to change the battery pack. This would require packs assembled to slip into a box with firm contacts for quick change. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, but in all the Radio Controlled racing events of which I am aware, none require a pit stop. From my previous racing experience, having a pit stop can really be exciting and separate the good, well prepared and lucky folks from the rest. Maybe it is still a little early in the battery development phase for this, but it would sure be fun to try. Thanks again, Lee

May 17, 2002, 09:19 AM	#7
PylonWorld Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Monroe, NC, USA Posts: 104	There is a club or group that runs enduro Quickie 500 racing. They have 100 lap and even a 300 lap races, all with multiple pit stops required. I don't have the link at my finger tips, but it's on the Racing Down Under web site, and it is listed in the International Racing section on PylonWorld.com.

May 17, 2002, 11:18 AM	#9
PylonWorld Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Monroe, NC, USA Posts: 104	The link to the Pylon Down Under site is Pylon Racing - Australia Down Under. The specific page is the Fun Sports Pylon Events.