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Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
R A
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finished biulding Raptor 50 but

Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of the
ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with out
heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can hold a
good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should not
use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I
interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim
but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these fine
trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or am
I thick and missing something.

Rob


Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:30:18 +0000 (UTC), "R A"
<rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of the
>ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with out
>heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can hold a
>good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should not
>use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I
>interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim
>but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these fine
>trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or am
>I thick and missing something.


OK, I got about 20 words in to that mess and ran out of patience
trying to figure out WTH the question was...


Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
R A
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should not use the
radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I interpreting it
wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim but I find it hard
to believe the radio manufactures give us all these fine trims etc but then
your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or am I thick and missing
something. Sorry I waffle to much Rob



"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message newsjeph1dnfmd31gtlpvmgh1l976204r4n1e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:30:18 +0000 (UTC), "R A"
> <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
>>the
>>ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with out
>>heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can hold
>>a
>>good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should
>>not
>>use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I
>>interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim
>>but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these
>>fine
>>trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or
>>am
>>I thick and missing something.

>
> OK, I got about 20 words in to that mess and ran out of patience
> trying to figure out WTH the question was...
>
>



Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
Adrian Smith
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but


"R A" <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dfie6q$bhe$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should not use the
> radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I interpreting it
> wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim but I find it
> hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these fine trims etc
> but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or am I thick
> and missing something. Sorry I waffle to much Rob
>
>
>
> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
> message newsjeph1dnfmd31gtlpvmgh1l976204r4n1e@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:30:18 +0000 (UTC), "R A"
>> <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
>>>the
>>>ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with
>>>out
>>>heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can
>>>hold a
>>>good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should
>>>not
>>>use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I
>>>interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim
>>>but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these
>>>fine
>>>trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or
>>>am
>>>I thick and missing something.

>>
>> OK, I got about 20 words in to that mess and ran out of patience
>> trying to figure out WTH the question was...
>>
>>

>
>


If I remember correctly the CSM gyro self centres when the radio is turned
on. You should however make sure that the servo mid position is
approximately correct.

Your question was not that unintelligible but it would be polite to get the
grammar and English correct to make it easier for people who are good enough
to assist.

--
Adrian Smith
www.YourStadium.com
Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums.


Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
R A
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

Ok thanks for the advise

Rob


"Adrian Smith" <A.Smith@YourStadium.com> wrote in message
news:yk3Te.3268$2n6.3076@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>
> "R A" <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:dfie6q$bhe$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should not use the
>> radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I interpreting it
>> wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired trim but I find it
>> hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these fine trims etc
>> but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or am I thick
>> and missing something. Sorry I waffle to much Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
>> message newsjeph1dnfmd31gtlpvmgh1l976204r4n1e@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:30:18 +0000 (UTC), "R A"
>>> <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
>>>>the
>>>>ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with
>>>>out
>>>>heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can
>>>>hold a
>>>>good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I should
>>>>not
>>>>use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am I
>>>>interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired
>>>>trim
>>>>but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all these
>>>>fine
>>>>trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold gyro, or
>>>>am
>>>>I thick and missing something.
>>>
>>> OK, I got about 20 words in to that mess and ran out of patience
>>> trying to figure out WTH the question was...
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
> If I remember correctly the CSM gyro self centres when the radio is turned
> on. You should however make sure that the servo mid position is
> approximately correct.
>
> Your question was not that unintelligible but it would be polite to get
> the grammar and English correct to make it easier for people who are good
> enough to assist.
>
> --
> Adrian Smith
> www.YourStadium.com
> Superb aerial pictures of UK football stadiums.
>



Old Sep 06, 2005, 02:11 AM
Mark
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

According to the instructions to make the center trim of mode 0 and mode 2
the same, you need to switch between the two 5 times in one second intervals
while maintaining slow level forward flight. To be honest, my Raptor
30V2heading hold
still turns to the left after the procedure.

From the instrutions:
While hovering or in slow forward flight simply switch the gyro mode/gain
switch on your transmitter back and forth five times between the two modes.
Hold each mode for about 1 second. The right timing for this is easily
obtained by counting the clicks of the switch out aloud to yourself as you
do it. If the adjustment of the tail linkage is within a reasonable range of
the correct setting the Quick-trim will now compensate for the residual trim
error and the trim state of mode 0 should match that of mode 1. Repeat the
Quick-trim sequence several times to allow the gyro to home in on the
perfect trim.

Good luck
Mark

"R A" <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dfidda$9d6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
> the ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with
> out heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can
> hold a good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I
> should not use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am
> I interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired
> trim but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all
> these fine trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold
> gyro, or am I thick and missing something.
>
> Rob
>



Old Sep 06, 2005, 10:11 AM
R A
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

Thanks Mark
Now that I have read the set up instructions properly, its quite clear that
the gyro is quite a clever little chap, and will do most of the fine turning
for me so long as the mechanics are set pretty close. i.e auto check of
reverse gyro, servo travel in both directions, and whether digital or
standard servo is being used. Plus as you said in hover or forward flight
set the trim for mode 0 or 1. Quite impressed with its set up now :-)


"Mark" <mkardelz@redshift.com> wrote in message
news:11hpp8mbeiooj63@corp.supernews.com...
> According to the instructions to make the center trim of mode 0 and mode 2
> the same, you need to switch between the two 5 times in one second
> intervals
> while maintaining slow level forward flight. To be honest, my Raptor
> 30V2heading hold
> still turns to the left after the procedure.
>
> From the instrutions:
> While hovering or in slow forward flight simply switch the gyro mode/gain
> switch on your transmitter back and forth five times between the two
> modes.
> Hold each mode for about 1 second. The right timing for this is easily
> obtained by counting the clicks of the switch out aloud to yourself as you
> do it. If the adjustment of the tail linkage is within a reasonable range
> of
> the correct setting the Quick-trim will now compensate for the residual
> trim
> error and the trim state of mode 0 should match that of mode 1. Repeat the
> Quick-trim sequence several times to allow the gyro to home in on the
> perfect trim.
>
> Good luck
> Mark
>
> "R A" <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:dfidda$9d6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>> Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
>> the ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried
>> with out heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick
>> and can hold a good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions
>> that I should not use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this
>> correct or am I interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for
>> the desired trim but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures
>> give us all these fine trims etc but then your told you cant use them
>> with a head hold gyro, or am I thick and missing something.
>>
>> Rob
>>

>
>



Old Sep 08, 2005, 12:11 AM
Beav
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but


"R A" <rawright(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dfidda$9d6$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Hello just finished putting together my new Raptor 50 v2 and took it of
> the ground in heading hold mode of a csm 560 gyro that was fine tried with
> out heading hold and it turned left slightly I put in right stick and can
> hold a good hover my question is, it says on the csm instructions that I
> should not use the radio trim with a head hold gyro is this correct or am
> I interpreting it wrong as I know I can adjust the rod for the desired
> trim but I find it hard to believe the radio manufactures give us all
> these fine trims etc but then your told you cant use them with a head hold
> gyro, or am I thick and missing something.


You are, full stops and comma's, but leaving that aside (for now), you have
two options (3 if I'm being pedantic)

Option 1.. Adjust the tail pushrod length to suit.

Option 2.. Flick the HH/Rate switch (the one yu use to programme the gyro) 3
or 4 times while you're flying. The 560 will then interpret those "flciks"
as a command to sort itself out and hold the heli in both HH and non HH
(rate)

Option 3 (I'm being pedantic).. RTFM properly.

Learn to take a breath when you're writing, it'll tell you where to put a
full stop (that's a period to you) or even a comma:-)


--
Beav

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changes)


Old Sep 08, 2005, 04:11 AM
R A
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but

Thanks Beav I got there in the end. As you say should take a breath when
writing. :-). Got another problem though which I'm trying to sort in between
other things. The heli runs sweet and fly's well or as well as I can fly it,
but when I land & the rotor slow I get a bad vibration and the whole heli
shakes like F???. But when taking of there is a slight shake as it gets up
to speed. I am in the process of balancing the blades but they don't seem to
far out, they are the original wood ones that came in the kit.

Rob
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote in message
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>
> You are, full stops and comma's, but leaving that aside (for now), you
> have two options (3 if I'm being pedantic)
>
> Option 1.. Adjust the tail pushrod length to suit.
>
> Option 2.. Flick the HH/Rate switch (the one yu use to programme the gyro)
> 3 or 4 times while you're flying. The 560 will then interpret those
> "flciks" as a command to sort itself out and hold the heli in both HH and
> non HH (rate)
>
> Option 3 (I'm being pedantic).. RTFM properly.
>
> Learn to take a breath when you're writing, it'll tell you where to put a
> full stop (that's a period to you) or even a comma:-)
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
> Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
> changes)
>
>



Old Sep 09, 2005, 08:11 PM
Beav
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Re: finished biulding Raptor 50 but


"R A" <mgroverelectronics(remove)@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Beav I got there in the end.


Excellent.

As you say should take a breath when
> writing. :-).


He:-)

Got another problem though which I'm trying to sort in between
> other things. The heli runs sweet and fly's well or as well as I can fly
> it, but when I land & the rotor slow I get a bad vibration and the whole
> heli shakes like F???. But when taking of there is a slight shake as it
> gets up to speed. I am in the process of balancing the blades but they
> don't seem to far out, they are the original wood ones that came in the
> kit.


If the heli runs smoothly when things are spinning at flying speed, then
it's not a balance problem, so it'll be either a resonance problem or
something REALLY simple like the blades not being tight enough in the grips.

If they're not tight enough, they lag behind the rotor shaft as the motor
drives it, and as the blades eventually "catch up", things smooth out. The
"ideal" friction on the blade grips is enough to hold the blades in position
when you hold the heli at 90 degrees to the ground (like a tightly banked
turn), but held by your hand. A "shake" of the heli should see the blades
slip in the grips. Any looser and you'll have the "wind-up vibes".

The resonance problem (if it IS that) can be addressed by shortening the
blades by half an inch, or adding/removing tip weight. Aslo, flying from a
hard surface doesn't help either, so if you're doing that, try flying of
grass.

Get thee to checking.


--
Beav

Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious
changes)


 


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