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Old Aug 11, 2005, 04:55 PM
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What would you pay for this swingarm?

Hi,
The "GP" Style swingarm kit will come with axle (allowing mounting of your brake caliper), stressbar and adjustment bolts. And will fit the T.T. and N.F. bikes.
Any questions, please email info@brazimoto.com
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 05:09 PM
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Looks like Erik has been a busy bee! It looks like they are multi-piece, right?
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 05:10 PM
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a bit more then the standard swing arm

Its your call give a astimate of the price!!
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 05:22 PM
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wow it looks great.But i can only answer when i see the finished product.
But i can tell you this you probably wouldn't be able to keep them in stock.

man where have you guys been?
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 05:22 PM
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How 'bout you tell me how much, then I pay?? =)

Regarding 1/5 double swingarms - how easy is it to swap out a rear wheel, and how easy is it to get the alignment right even though there are now two chain adjustment screws (one on each side)?

Ian
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 05:58 PM
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How 'bout you tell me how much, then I pay?? =)

Regarding 1/5 double swingarms - how easy is it to swap out a rear wheel, and how easy is it to get the alignment right even though there are now two chain adjustment screws (one on each side)?

Ian
same as you align a chain on a 1/1 bike! look if the chain is strait from sprocket to sprocket.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 06:10 PM
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Will they fit both nitro and electric bikes? On the nitro bikes, the rear shock is offset to the right to allow the tuned pipe to pass.

As far as price, I'd probably pay whatever your (realistic) asking price was for a first one. What I got for my money would determine how many more of them I would buy, and whether I would recommended them to others.

Best answer I can give you without actually seeing one. I can tell you that the first person to come out with an acceptable milled dual swingarm will sell all he can produce.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 06:27 PM
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I can't wait until the rest of the Brazi stuff comes out as well... bikes, riders, parts... I mean the wheels are really nice (saw them in person at the race) and that swingarm looks very cool... but there is a lot of stuff that's supposed to come out that we are all waiting for that I can't wait to see
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 05:41 AM
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keep it real !

[QUOTE=As far as price, I'd probably pay whatever your (realistic) asking price was for a first one. What I got for my money would determine how many more of them I would buy, and whether I would recommended them to others.

Best answer I can give you without actually seeing one. I can tell you that the first person to come out with an acceptable milled dual swingarm will sell all he can produce.[/QUOTE]


BRMA Class Rules. Affiliated to the BRCA Large Scale Division

1/5 Scale Motorcycle
1. Constitution
• To encourage and develop the class of 1.5 scale radio control motor cycle racing in the UK.
• The sport is to be managed and policed by its members. Any modifications not deemed in keeping with the spirit of the rules or that will artificially increase the costs of the sport are to be discouraged.
• Any individual bike modifications made that can not easily be replicated by other riders must be commercially available to be deemed eligible.
• The board reserve the right to specifically ban any bikes, accessories or modifications that are
deemed to be against the spirit of these rules or which will raise the cost of radio control
motorcycle racing to an unacceptably high level.
• In the event of a dispute the 1/5 scale motor cycle board will have the final say, and are able to
provide further clarity or interpretation of the sections rules.

so bearing all these factors in mind can the people at brazimoto, produce and provide the parts intended for sale at prices not much higher than
parts /prices already available.
as i see it ,if whoever is going into manufacturing dont take this into account
before they even turnout the 1st piece, then they are doomed to fail.
basically if theres no money to be made in the venture then theres no way it will be viable to pursue.
i appreciate that this swingarm has more to it than whats already out there but that dont mean i should have to pay over the odds for it.
it will still bend after a big crash . thats a certainty ,it may take a bigger beating than the single sider , but i would`nt pay much more than a single sider for the d/sider

example if a single sider cost $45. (cnr price)
i would expext to pay no more than $55-60 tops!! for the doublesider

if brazimoto can knock`em out for that price or less, then i`ll take three please.

jako#7
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 06:07 AM
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and is that a real hydraulic shock with expansion canister?
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 06:32 AM
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BRMA Class Rules. Affiliated to the BRCA Large Scale Division

1/5 Scale Motorcycle
1. Constitution
• To encourage and develop the class of 1.5 scale radio control motor cycle racing in the UK.
• The sport is to be managed and policed by its members. Any modifications not deemed in keeping with the spirit of the rules or that will artificially increase the costs of the sport are to be discouraged.
• Any individual bike modifications made that can not easily be replicated by other riders must be commercially available to be deemed eligible.
• The board reserve the right to specifically ban any bikes, accessories or modifications that are
deemed to be against the spirit of these rules or which will raise the cost of radio control
motorcycle racing to an unacceptably high level.
• In the event of a dispute the 1/5 scale motor cycle board will have the final say, and are able to
provide further clarity or interpretation of the sections rules.

so bearing all these factors in mind can the people at brazimoto, produce and provide the parts intended for sale at prices not much higher than
parts /prices already available.
as i see it ,if whoever is going into manufacturing dont take this into account
before they even turnout the 1st piece, then they are doomed to fail.
basically if theres no money to be made in the venture then theres no way it will be viable to pursue.
i appreciate that this swingarm has more to it than whats already out there but that dont mean i should have to pay over the odds for it.
it will still bend after a big crash . thats a certainty ,it may take a bigger beating than the single sider , but i would`nt pay much more than a single sider for the d/sider

example if a single sider cost $45. (cnr price)
i would expext to pay no more than $55-60 tops!! for the doublesider

if brazimoto can knock`em out for that price or less, then i`ll take three please.

jako#7

Youre dead one with that! like the rules . thats the way for not let it get to expensive
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 06:40 AM
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BRMA Class Rules. <snip>

• The sport is to be managed and policed by its members. Any modifications not deemed in keeping with the spirit of the rules or that will artificially increase the costs of the sport are to be discouraged.
• Any individual bike modifications made that can not easily be replicated by other riders must be commercially available to be deemed eligible.
• The board reserve the right to specifically ban any bikes, accessories or modifications that are
deemed to be against the spirit of these rules or which will raise the cost of radio control
motorcycle racing to an unacceptably high level.

• In the event of a dispute the 1/5 scale motor cycle board will have the final say, and are able to
provide further clarity or interpretation of the sections rules.

<snip>
jako#7
jako#7,

If a manufacturer were designing a racing model with the intention of rendering the NF/TT bikes uncompetitive, how would he decide what price point to aim for? If someone shows up at the track with a Bergonzoni, is he allowed to race? How about an RG1? Is there a formal process by which a model can be given the green light before production machines are cranking out parts?

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Old Aug 13, 2005, 07:42 AM
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jako#7,

If a manufacturer were designing a racing model with the intention of rendering the NF/TT bikes uncompetitive, how would he decide what price point to aim for? If someone shows up at the track with a Bergonzoni, is he allowed to race? How about an RG1? Is there a formal process by which a model can be given the green light before production machines are cranking out parts?

mp-
a fair point , but one which is also covered by the rules & regulations,
please take the time to read the full ruling of the sports legislation in the
link i have provided. it is my opinoin that all 1/5 bike racing should follow the same regulations, it also covers the point of other manufacturers entering the sport. imparticular to your question see section 3, constuction rules.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.ve...ss%20Rules.doc

BRMA Class Rules. Affiliated to the BRCA Large Scale Division

1/5 Scale Motorcycle
1. Constitution
• To encourage and develop the class of 1.5 scale radio control motor cycle racing in the UK.
• The sport is to be managed and policed by its members. Any modifications not deemed in keeping with the spirit of the rules or that will artificially increase the costs of the sport are to be discouraged.
• Any individual bike modifications made that can not easily be replicated by other riders must be commercially available to be deemed eligible.
• The board reserve the right to specifically ban any bikes, accessories or modifications that are
deemed to be against the spirit of these rules or which will raise the cost of radio control
motorcycle racing to an unacceptably high level.
• In the event of a dispute the 1/5 scale motor cycle board will have the final say, and are able to
provide further clarity or interpretation of the sections rules.

2. Racing classes
• Only motorcycles falling under the category of 1/5 scale are covered by these rules. This includes
bikes powered by both Electric and IC motors.
• All championship races are considered to be for electric powered bikes. However IC versions
will be allowed to compete alongside electric bikes with no penalty until such time that a distinct
advantage is demonstrated or when there are sufficient numbers attending each meeting to split
into different class’s.
• Standard class electric- aimed at promoting cheap close racing. Motor to be only 27 turn stock. Chassis must be original kit chassis with only the following mods permitted;
32dp gears, aluminium headstock, aluminium frame spacers, front wheel grub screw mod, aluminium / polymer crashbar mounts, aluminium shock top.
• Modified class electric and IC - aimed at pushing the envelope of 1/5 bike performance. No motor limit or type for electric or nitro.

3. Construction rules
3.1. Appearance
• The essence of the sport is radio control motor cycle racing and as such all bikes entered into a
meeting should be realistic in appearance, neatly finished, and complete with bodywork and rider
all of which should be painted.
• All fairings seat units and rider figures should be to scale and appropriate in both style and colour
Note this list may be added to by the board as and when new, acceptable manufacturers enter the market
3.2. General
3.2.1. Size
• To encourage new manufacturers into the sport only limited size and weight
restrictions are enforced. However all bikes entered must be from a recognised
and approved 1/5 scale bike manufacturer.
• Approved manufacturers currently are: -
o Nuova Faor
o Thunder Tiger
o Harm
o Bergonzoni

3.2.2. Dimensions
• Wheelbase - Max 320 mm Min 280 mm
• Rear Wheel Diameter - Max 95 mm Min 80 mm
• Front Wheel Diameter - Max 95 mm Min 80 mm
• Any tyre width - Max 35mm
• Height of bike inc. rider- Max 300mm Min 240 mm
• Weight – NO minimum limit
3.2.3. Tyres
• Tyres to be specifically available for 1/5 bikes and to be commercially available
• Tyres must be black except for sidewall detail.
• No form of tyre additive is allowed.
3.2.4. Brakes
• Cable operated brakes either disc or drum are allowed in the modified class. Only esc braking allowed in standard class.
3.2.5. Transmission
• In keeping with full size motorcycle design.
3.2.6. Body shells and Rider Figures
• The shape must be realistic, scale representations of actual motorcycles raced
in any Grand Prix, Super Bike or Endurance event although a generic design is
acceptable.
• Paint scheme is left open to each individual and models can be finished in the
rider’s own design.
3.2.7. Aerodynamics
• Any form of aerodynamic aid not in keeping with the full size sport is not
allowed.
• Fairing, body work and rider cannot be trimmed in a way that detracts form the
bikes scale appearance
3.2.8. Motive power
• Electric bikes are limited to 27 turn stock motors in the standard class, no motor limit or type in
the modified class.
• IC bikes are unlimited in size and type of engine, but will only score points in the modified class.
(3.2.9. Exhaust / induction noise
• The complete exhaust system should be contained within the confines of the
body work and fitted in such a way as to minimise the risk of injury to marshals.
It reduce the exhaust noise to a maximum level of 77 decibels at 70meters
distance.
• If any part of the exhaust / silencer system fails or becomes detached during a
race the rider has to return to the pits immediately to have the problem
rectified. Further laps with a noisy engine will result in a penalty decided by the
Race Director, whose decision is final.

4. Racing rules
• Both IC and electric powered bikes will compete in the same event with equal status until such
time that numbers attending allow a split to be made or until such time that the IC class gains a
distinct advantage.
• At meetings containing both cars and bikes race directors should be encouraged to allow bike
riders to marshal other bike heats.
• Until such time as a satisfactory, independent launching method is found for the start of each heat
or final, bikes will started be hand at approximately 1 second intervals after the start tone by a
single start marshal individual.
• Race’s will be of 7min duration.
• A separate or additional drivers breifing will be held at the start of each meeting for all
motorcycle riders at which competitors must be briefed on starting and marshalling procedures
and all matters pertaining to safety.
4. Electrical equipment
4.1. Radio equipment
• Only legal frequencies may be used and all radio equipment must conform to the current
BRCA and UK regulations. Riders are advised to have with them at least two changes of
frequency crystals.
4.2 Batteries
Only 6 cell 7.2v nicad or nimhs allowed in both classes
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 09:02 AM
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Quote...." Any individual bike modifications made that can not easily be replicated by other riders must be commercially available to be deemed eligible."

So......having made my own modified titanium forks,a modified layshaft,extra fittings for the Bergo,a set of triples that don't follow the original measurements,a ride height adjuster,a TT swing arm converted to a double sided one,a through axle made to fit it,different steering support bushes and front axles of a different design, then I must have bikes that are not eligible to compete.

If modifications can only be allowed on a manufacturers whim,then the 1/5 bike scene will not move forwards much.

I would have thought a modified class should be just that,with personal mods allowed. Anyone is free to buy a lathe and a mill and learn to use them to make personal parts,at least you get some sort of quality control,something sadly missing with NF.

And the Spektrum system hasn't been incorporated yet,so there'll be a few in the "Racer" series that aren't legal,what do you propose...disqualify them.

Allan
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Old Aug 13, 2005, 10:16 AM
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I'm all for Close and competitive racing.But i thrive on being the under dog.That makes me more determine to win.To try new things think outside the box.That's why there's stock and there's modified classes.

IF YOU CAN'T RUN WITH THE BIG DOGS! THEN GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Besides it's suppose to be fun fun fun.And if your not haveing fun find a new hobby.
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