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Old Aug 10, 2005, 06:57 AM
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The number 13. Good luck, bad luck, depends, or neither.

Is the number 13 good luck, bad luck, either depending on the situation, or neither (it's just a number).

This was supposed to be a poll but it didn't work out somehow.
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 07:08 AM
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It is the date of my birthday. its good luck, till i get old...
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 07:09 AM
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Let's think about it for a sec- Apollo 13.

That means 13 MUST be unlucky surely?

Hang on though, they survived what should have been a fatal and irrecoverable stream of events, by considerable technical ingenuity and skill and no little good fortune that the explosion didn't immediately damage the spaceship so much as to make their return to Earth impossible. - So 13 MUST be a lucky number.

They don't have seat #13ABC or D on BA internal flights- the row numbering goes 11, 12, 14, so they must think it is unlucky, or that their customers think it's unlucky. Then again if you were very superstitious and travelled on BA because they didn't have row 13 then you would be travelling on BA, which is ALSO unlucky. The BA data comes down on the UNLUCKY side.

Danny Murphy always wore the #13 shirt at Liverpool and came from relative obscurity and disdain from the crowd to become much more popular with a great season in 2002-2003. So #13 was obviously lucky for SuperDan, right up to when he got sold on to Charlton Athletic and missed out on a Champion's League medal - so unlucky.

So it depends. It's lucky, it's unlucky or it depends on the situation.

Or it doesn't matter at all, it's just a number.

Question is, why was 13 decided as being an unlucky number in the first place and is it unlucky in every culture?
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 08:12 AM
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Some history . . . . .

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13: The Secret Power of a Sacred Number

Author: Boyd Rice

We are told that 13 is an unlucky number. The date Friday the 13th is taboo because the Knights Templar were arrested and condemned by the seneschals of Philippe IV, King of France, in a “pre-dawn raid” on Friday, October 13th, 1307. The number 13 has been shunned for centuries. Some architects omit the 13th floor from office buildings to this very day. Is it possible that the folklore associated with the number 13 is absolutely apocryphal? Or that it has become a demonized numeral precisely because it was sacred in pre-Christian times? Think about it. It is an oddly recurring sum. 12 apostles and a messiah. 12 Knights of the Round Table and King Arthur. The number 13 recurs too consistently in such significant contexts to be purely arbitrary. And of course, it’s not.

13 was a number central to certain traditions of sacred geometry, because it reflected a pattern which could be seen to exist in man, nature, and the heavens. For instance, there are 13 major joints in your body. There are 13 lunar cycles in a solar year, and the moon travels 13 degrees across the sky every day. Six circles placed around a seventh central circle is a model of geometric efficiency and perfection in the second dimension that has been known to mathematicians for ages. But this same configuration in three dimensions consists of 12 spheres arranged around one central sphere, making 13 in all - the most compact three-dimensional arrangement recurrent in nature. A commentator writing about the Aztec calendar once said that, “Thirteen is a basic structural unit in nature. It means the attracting center around which elements focus and collect.” Is this, then, the reason for Christ’s 12 disciples, King Arthur’s 12 knights, or the 12 major constellations in relation to our sun? The likelihood seems great indeed.

Assuming that the number 13 played a prominent role in the sacred traditions being preserved by the Knights Templar, and that the Vatican wished to keep this from coming to light, does it not follow that they purposely chose Friday the 13th as the date upon which to arrest the Templars? In many traditions, Friday is a holy day. If our assumptions are correct, Friday the 13th would be doubly sacred to the Templars. This may well have constituted the Church’s final “screw you” to the Order whose power they so feared and envied.

13 is of particular interest to us because of Tracy Twyman’s work on the “Golden Calendar”, which is based on multiples of 13, such as 26 and 52. Interestingly, our modern calendar still bears vestiges of this, and retains the concept of 52 weeks in a calendar year. According to the website dayofdestiny.com, the Aztec century was based on a unit of 52 years, and native people in South America, who believed in an impending apocalypse that would occur on a certain date, would, “ritually demolish and destroy their civilization every 52 years”, as a sort of “dress rehearsal.” The glyph which represents both the start and end of the Aztec calendar is known as “13 Cane”, and symbolizes the death of one cycles, followed by the birth of another - the Alpha and Omega. Strangely, this is very much what the 13th rune - called “Eiwaz” - means in the Northern European mythos. It represents the balance point between light and dark, the creative force and the destructive force, or the heavens and the Underworld. It too is the Alpha and Omega at the same time. It signifies death, but it also signifies eternal life. In the traditional tarot deck, the 13th card is the Death card. It also represents not merely death, but rebirth and renewal. These were obviously pivotal concepts to ancient cultures, the understanding of which has faded down the centuries. But isn’t it remarkable that this specific notion always seems to be associated with the number 13, even in cultures as seemingly dissimilar as those of Northern Europe and South America?

It is interesting to note that although the 13th rune was the central rune in the oldest runic alphabet, and the symbol around which all the others were ordered; by the time the second runic alphabet emerged, the “Eiwaz” rune was absent. What this seems to indicate is that even in very ancient times, this symbol so representative of the world-view central to Northern European thought had vanished due to the fact that the idea it represented had also been lost. This idea seems to constitute some ancient understanding of Hermetic thought. Of course, the idea didn’t simply disappear, it was kept alive by certain initiates who preserved and passed down the secrets of an esoteric tradition. Perhaps this is why the number 13 has always been associated with magic and the occult, and why it is a number perceived to possess some mysterious yet tangible power. It is an emblem of a secret knowledge, a knowledge which does indeed confer power upon those conversant with it. It is a knowledge that religious orthodoxies have long feared and tried to suppress. 13 may be perceived as unlucky to those who fear the secret gnosis it represents, but for adherents of that gnosis it is (as it always was), a sacred number.
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 08:59 AM
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Baker's Dozen...

And that would be my surname...

It's always been lucky for me... and it was my "school number" when each pupil identified thier property by putting thier number on it.

I'm still alive.
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 09:07 AM
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I'm still alive.
No you're not !!

But on with the topic. It's amazing how many people actually believe this stuff. Lot's of buildings out there that don't have a 13th floor.
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Old Aug 10, 2005, 09:12 AM
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I think that it is lucky

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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:03 AM
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Good luck for Jason, bad luck for the campers.

Its all superstition or stupidstition.

Knock on wood!
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:20 AM
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Yup, born on the 13th so the number works for me
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:46 AM
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And that would be my surname...

It's always been lucky for me... and it was my "school number" when each pupil identified thier property by putting thier number on it.

I'm still alive.
Now be sensible, Nick- Mark-
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 03:42 AM
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No you're not !!
cool... the afterlife has planes!!
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 06:39 AM
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In Korea they have a problem with the 4th floor as 'four' in Korean sounds like the word for 'death'. So the fourth floor is often labelled 'F' instead of '4'.

I believe it's the same in Japan.
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:07 PM
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:34 PM
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The all American Soap box derby used to drop all the 13's from the car numbers 13, 113, 213, 313, just so the drivers wouldn't complain they were hexed.

On the thread above about the middle of an old alphabet, the english alphabet is 2x13 with M being the middle.
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Old Aug 12, 2005, 12:48 PM
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M.. the 13th letter!!!!
Marilyn Monroe..... It is all starting to make sense to me now.
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