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Old Jul 17, 2005, 09:59 AM
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What complex problem or issue was Bush's Tax Cut a well thought out solution to?

Billionaires without enough vacation homes and party boats? Perhaps the excrutiating choice between vacation homes in St Thomas or St John, Lake Como, Hilton Head or the Swiss Alps?

Rejoice, now they can get all five. Whew, that was a close one.
that 'tax cut for the rich' is such an old tactic. And untrue this time around. People at EVERY level got a tax cut. But keep playing class warefare if that's what you want to do.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 10:03 AM
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I'm glad to know that I am considered rich by your standards newbie.....I received a tax cut...guess that makes me rich huh?
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 10:08 AM
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I must be rich also .....I got a tax cut ...........


If you make 500000 and get a 5% cut that that equals 25000

or you make 50000 and get a 5% cut that equals 2500

then the middle class guy and the ultra rich guy get the same tax cut

SIMPLE MATH
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 10:10 AM
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you are about to get blasted for being simple. As out tax system is a complicated thing as we all know
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 11:44 AM
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If one chooses to define "progress" as a state of social and economic equality for all, a Progressive passively labels those who don't hold to their aims as "regressive," which is a bit more demonizing than the opposite of liberal: conservative.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 11:57 AM
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Look, if you want to justify the raiding of the US Treasury to the overwhelming advantage of Billionaires (at a time of war and economic hardship) by talking about the few hundred to few thousand dollars most of us got, that's fine.

It's ridiculous, but fine.

I'd rather the country was solvent and not making interest payments on borrowed dollars while literally giving away hundreds of billions.

Look at the stats, it's all there. The middle class pays the bills these days. The super-rich and the corporations pay less than they did in the past.

Class Warfare is nothing new. It's been going on since before this country was founded. The Bush Admin just made it clear that's what they were doing. I'm not sure it's my responsibility to give our President a pass on his actions.

I'd be all for a flat tax where we all pay the same rate, but with the tax shelters, off-shore corps, the loopholes a good tax attorney can find and so many other events of recent years...we're getting screwed so corporations can report higher profits and the very wealthy can buy more luxuries.

If that's cool with you, by all means, support the President's Tax Cut.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:04 PM
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If one chooses to define "progress" as a state of social and economic equality for all, a Progressive passively labels those who don't hold to their aims as "regressive," which is a bit more demonizing than the opposite of liberal: conservative.
I think of it more as seeing a system that is generally very good, but could use some improvement. Then saying OK, let's address those deficiencies and make some progress.

Equal Rights before the Law and this country's struggle to make that true is but one area that could use some progress. Equal representation and equal opportunity are a few others.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:10 PM
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you are about to get blasted for being simple. As out tax system is a complicated thing as we all know
Don't be passive aggressive. If you have a valid point, try to make it. If I want this level of debate, I'll talk to my 12 year old niece.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:26 PM
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Dog,

In all fairness, his comment wasn't '12 year old'. Very often in the past, it is exactly what happens. "you silly conservatives are too simplistic, things are much more complex..." I've seen it, and had it said to me.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:27 PM
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I must be rich also .....I got a tax cut ...........


If you make 500000 and get a 5% cut that that equals 25000

or you make 50000 and get a 5% cut that equals 2500

then the middle class guy and the ultra rich guy get the same tax cut

SIMPLE MATH
Again, it is not "Simple" math. If you knew what you were talking about, you would not make such a lame assertion.

Nobody cares about the dollar amount of the tax cut. It is not a valid metric. Instead, what counts is the percentage of income. The top income earners pay a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than you or I do.

It's just that "simple"...
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:29 PM
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Dog,

In all fairness, his comment wasn't '12 year old'. Very often in the past, it is exactly what happens. "you silly conservatives are too simplistic, things are much more complex..." I've seen it, and had it said to me.

Saying "Sometimes it really is Simple" is not twelve year old. It's alsi true to some extent.

Passive aggressive insinuations meant as arguments are very twelve year old.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 12:36 PM
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 01:33 PM
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Saying "Sometimes it really is Simple" is not twelve year old. It's alsi true to some extent.

Passive aggressive insinuations meant as arguments are very twelve year old.
It wasn't meant as an argument....take it at face value. I was stating my opinion that he was about to get blasted for trying to reduce it to its lowest terms in order to express a point. You fufilled my prophecy nicely thank you.
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 01:37 PM
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It wasn't meant as an argument....take it at face value. I was stating my opinion that he was about to get blasted for trying to reduce it to its lowest terms in order to express a point. You fufilled my prophecy nicely thank you.
Sure it's an argument. It's an attempt to minimize a point without making one of your own.

Just like saying "Of course you'd say that. Republicans always say that".
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Old Jul 17, 2005, 02:00 PM
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You just don't get it do you?
I wasn't trying to make a point. I was merely making an observation that he was going to get called out for being simple. That seems to happen a lot here.
I'm not as smart or as educated as you so I am a simpleton i guess.
That also renders my opinion useless and irrelevant also I guess. Unlike some people here, I can comment without tryng to score political points.
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