You guys are a BAD influence!!

Tres Wright · Apr 23, 2002, 12:17 AM

I've got 7 operational planes cluttering up my garage and hobby room, but all this talk about "Tiger Moth this" and "Tiger Moth that" got to me, I finally broke down and bought one today! I will be implementing many of the cool tips and tricks you guys have posted, so thanks again for the wealth of info here.

Now will you guys pleeeeeease stop talking about planes?

At least give me a chance to build and enjoy this one a while before you've got me foaming at the mouth over something else

cactus · Apr 23, 2002, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tres Wright
you've got me foaming at the mouth over something else

ummm Foaming! Doh!

I hear ya. It is taking all of my collective strength to keep my credit card in my pocket this month.... The moth is pure FUN! In order to fly in calm condiditons, I am going to get up an hour and a half before I go to work so I can get my Moth fix..... Sick, I know

Martin Hunter · Apr 23, 2002, 02:23 AM

*Ahh ahhh ahhh... AHHH CHOO SWITCHBACK!!!*

*sniffle* something in the air, I guess
OK, so it's not a foamie, but it's a load of fun

LuckyArmpit · Apr 23, 2002, 07:41 AM

Yep! Its an un-curable disease around here. Between making my own stuff from fan fold, the Razor, E-Plane, Scooter, T-52, The Bat, Corsair and Shrike (haven't started these yet), there goes the house payment!!! Lets not forget batteries, esc's and other items needed to make these aircraft air worthy! Hehe, tell wife or
girlfriend to get 2nd job in order to fund your e-hobby!!!! LOL!!!

Dave...

cactus · Apr 23, 2002, 09:08 AM

I am seriously considering trying scratch build and cycle components between planes in order to get my building side going without dropping 150 bucks on a flight pack and batteries everytime I see a plane I want. I have only put together foam kits at this point, so I'm not sure I know how to design the right surfaces and airfoils. Should I build a balsa kit first before I scratch build? I was thinking of doing a E-cub or one of the dumas free flight conversions as a first kit.... I have found that I get almost as much enjoyment building as I do flying. That's why I want to put some more of my own effort into my planes

Salter · Apr 23, 2002, 10:07 AM

There are so many good plans out there for cubs and the like I would just go find one and start cutting. When I did my first scratch build, I took the time to cut out all of my parts ahead of time before I started in on a seciton. That makes everything go together a lot better. For example then you get to weigh your parts and make sure both sides of the wing are the same weight etc and you get to dry fit your fuselage before the CA Soldifies your mistake. Scratch building is great. You will save money for two reasons. Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit. I did that with this beautiful Corsair a long time ago and never got the urge to finish it. Finally sold it with the wings and fuselage skinned but not finished. ( I don't want to think how many hours went into that) Anyways, I am still on the Foamie craze so to keep from making too many planes too quickly I am making one then testing it to make it better etc, and then finally when I know I like it, I take the time to airbrush it. By then allocating some Electronics is easy. I've demolished some other plane.

Salter

Tres Wright · Apr 23, 2002, 10:18 AM

Cactus wrote:
==ummm Foaming! Doh! ==

Dang! I had a nice little pun in there and didn't even notice it

Good idea on catching some nice morning air, and if the wind doesn't kick up well then who needs to go to work anyway?

==I have only put together foam kits at this point, so I'm not sure I know how to design the right surfaces and airfoils. Should I build a balsa kit first before I scratch build==

I would recommend you take on a couple of balsa kits 1st. It will help to see how others lay out parts on sheet balsa, which way the grain needs to run, how heavy or light the various parts need to be, etc. I built up several planes when I started in the hobby years ago and then scratch-built a couple. They actually flew too! Will miracles never cease? To tell the truth, I greatly prefer the foamies now because I really took it hard when I crashed those balsa planes I had worked so hard on. I don't have much emotional attachment to the foamies, so I'm more inclined to take chances with them.

Lucky wrote:
==Hehe, tell wife or girlfriend to get 2nd job in order to fund your e-hobby==

LOL! Well, I have enough trouble keeping the "scope" of this hobby hidden from my wife as it is. Hustling packages up to the attic before she gets home, sneaking several planes into the car to go fly when she thinks I only have 2 or 3 total

etc. etc. I'm sure you guys can relate!

Tres Wright · Apr 23, 2002, 10:23 AM

Salter wrote:
==Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit==

Amen! I've got a Goldberg Mirage that I started about 8 years ago, and it is STILL sitting at the back of my work bench! Wing is totally finished and covered, fuse is about 85% built. Once something gets pushed aside in favor of another project, it's so hard to go back to it. One day I WILL finish it, but it'll probably be an "old timer" by then!

Sparky Paul · Apr 23, 2002, 11:20 AM

I just completed a TM for a guy... One thing I did was cut out the numbers individually from the sticky sheet, to get a smoother placement of them on the 3-dimensional wing surface. Looks better than a blob of plastic sheet all wrinkled up..
Did the same for the smaller fuselage numbers..
And it gave me the chance to change the registration number..
The instructions warn against a larger battery, but he provided a 7x270, which fit with a little surgery in the stock (7x150) slot.
C.g. came out within the allowable range with no ballast.

LenBFP · Apr 23, 2002, 07:16 PM

Fan Fold Foam (or Depron if you can) is cheap, you can build them fast (oderless CA and foam safe kicker) they fly great and when you crack it up you are only out a couple of dollars and a little time. My foamies are getting fancer, I'm working on a scale Waco "10" for the GWS 300c and a Henschel for a Orion Elite Modified with a custom gear box (the money I don't spend on kits now goes to motors, more gear, etc). The Henschel is going to get a lightweight fiberglass coat with water base polycrylic which is something new for me.

This is lots of fun but I must say you develop a different set of skills from balsa work. Much of what I learned with balsa has been a help, but new construction techniques were needed. The long fan fold foam thread shares many of those techniques with the novice and is highly recommended. I learned alot there. Look at the planes that Tyson has put together from Depron. Look at KillerAir's beautiful Mustang made from fan fold foam. The possibilities are endless. I think foam and electric are made for each other.

Have fun,

Len

Cass · Apr 23, 2002, 09:00 PM

Cactus

I have to go with Len on the scratch build with fanfold. I have built about 7 gas type planes with balsa ( 3 scratch built). I never learned to fly on gas cause the repair after the (frequent

) crashes was too long. Now after being out of RC for 11 years i have started back in with the foamies. All my planes to date have been scratch (4 total) all with the DX-A from the TM kit( i have yet to build the TM). I have learned to fly on scratch built foamies. Just today i had 11 successful flights on a just completed 24 inch span plane. Its easy, try using some Stick and tissue plans to start with and blow them up 20% or so. this is what i did with my hurricane, 109, and a bashed 109/cap type plane ( the other is a Copy of Lens Almost Ultimate that i cant get the weight down on

)

Best of all - if it crashes... So what?! build another and try and figure out where you went wrong.

Salter wrote:
==Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit==

heeheh I got a 5 foot p40 fusealge ready for skinning in my Garage, been with me for 2 moves, dont think i will ever finish it.

Cass

Martin Hunter · Apr 23, 2002, 11:28 PM

Cass, do you have any pictures of your Waco or Henschel?

russ6421 · Apr 24, 2002, 12:31 PM

Have to say this but I lean more toward foam all the time some of the stuff that is being built is just great. When you can build a plane for a few dollars is something else. If I wasn't moving soon would have to get right into it. But have more than enough planes to move now. But as soon as I get moved will get a foam cutter and a good air compresser. Been playing with the foam board just got somemore want to build a twin EDF

Viper Pilot · Apr 24, 2002, 02:30 PM

That's what my best friends' mother used to tell me when I was in HS years ago.
Guess I never learned!!
Sorry you were influenced!!

P.S.

Can you collect all that foam (around your mouth) and make a plane out of it

?

VP

Gonflyin01 · Apr 24, 2002, 08:10 PM

Sence i have been on the E-Zone i have designed and built

Gnat speed 400 Laser 3D type plane
Speed 400 miss bohemia type plane
4 flying wings
converting a U-2
speed 400 seaplane
electric boats
AND ELECTRIC EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

I'm only 14 guys! I have a fixed budget, and IM ADDICTED!

(THANKS!!!)

Apr 23, 2002, 12:17 AM	#1
Tres Wright Live to ride... and fly! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney, TX Posts: 13,072	You guys are a BAD influence!! I've got 7 operational planes cluttering up my garage and hobby room, but all this talk about "Tiger Moth this" and "Tiger Moth that" got to me, I finally broke down and bought one today! I will be implementing many of the cool tips and tricks you guys have posted, so thanks again for the wealth of info here. Now will you guys pleeeeeease stop talking about planes? At least give me a chance to build and enjoy this one a while before you've got me foaming at the mouth over something else

Apr 23, 2002, 10:07 AM	#6
Salter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Columbia, SC, USA Posts: 248	Just build it! (Catchy phrase. <Knock knock> Oh hi Nike) There are so many good plans out there for cubs and the like I would just go find one and start cutting. When I did my first scratch build, I took the time to cut out all of my parts ahead of time before I started in on a seciton. That makes everything go together a lot better. For example then you get to weigh your parts and make sure both sides of the wing are the same weight etc and you get to dry fit your fuselage before the CA Soldifies your mistake. Scratch building is great. You will save money for two reasons. Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit. I did that with this beautiful Corsair a long time ago and never got the urge to finish it. Finally sold it with the wings and fuselage skinned but not finished. ( I don't want to think how many hours went into that) Anyways, I am still on the Foamie craze so to keep from making too many planes too quickly I am making one then testing it to make it better etc, and then finally when I know I like it, I take the time to airbrush it. By then allocating some Electronics is easy. I've demolished some other plane. Salter

Apr 23, 2002, 11:20 AM	#9
Sparky Paul Ascended Master Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Palmdale, CA Posts: 10,520	I just completed a TM for a guy... One thing I did was cut out the numbers individually from the sticky sheet, to get a smoother placement of them on the 3-dimensional wing surface. Looks better than a blob of plastic sheet all wrinkled up.. Did the same for the smaller fuselage numbers.. And it gave me the chance to change the registration number.. The instructions warn against a larger battery, but he provided a 7x270, which fit with a little surgery in the stock (7x150) slot. C.g. came out within the allowable range with no ballast. Attached Thumbnails 36.8 KB · Views: 858

Apr 23, 2002, 07:16 PM	#10
LenBFP It's a Great Day to Fly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne Beach, Florida Posts: 3,149	Fan Fold Foam (or Depron if you can) is cheap, you can build them fast (oderless CA and foam safe kicker) they fly great and when you crack it up you are only out a couple of dollars and a little time. My foamies are getting fancer, I'm working on a scale Waco "10" for the GWS 300c and a Henschel for a Orion Elite Modified with a custom gear box (the money I don't spend on kits now goes to motors, more gear, etc). The Henschel is going to get a lightweight fiberglass coat with water base polycrylic which is something new for me. This is lots of fun but I must say you develop a different set of skills from balsa work. Much of what I learned with balsa has been a help, but new construction techniques were needed. The long fan fold foam thread shares many of those techniques with the novice and is highly recommended. I learned alot there. Look at the planes that Tyson has put together from Depron. Look at KillerAir's beautiful Mustang made from fan fold foam. The possibilities are endless. I think foam and electric are made for each other. Have fun, Len Last edited by LenBFP; Apr 23, 2002 at 07:19 PM.

Apr 24, 2002, 02:30 PM	#14
Viper Pilot Heading for the Gambia Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Want to be in Banjul Posts: 4,241	You guys are a BAD influence!! That's what my best friends' mother used to tell me when I was in HS years ago. Guess I never learned!! Sorry you were influenced!! P.S. Can you collect all that foam (around your mouth) and make a plane out of it ? VP

Apr 23, 2002, 02:23 AM	#3
Martin Hunter Leave me alone! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kamloops, BC, Canada Posts: 15,109	Ahh ahhh ahhh... AHHH CHOO SWITCHBACK!!! sniffle something in the air, I guess OK, so it's not a foamie, but it's a load of fun

Apr 23, 2002, 07:41 AM	#4
LuckyArmpit Rehab is for quitters Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: West Middlesex, PA, US Posts: 4,743	Yep! Its an un-curable disease around here. Between making my own stuff from fan fold, the Razor, E-Plane, Scooter, T-52, The Bat, Corsair and Shrike (haven't started these yet), there goes the house payment!!! Lets not forget batteries, esc's and other items needed to make these aircraft air worthy! Hehe, tell wife or girlfriend to get 2nd job in order to fund your e-hobby!!!! LOL!!! Dave...

Apr 23, 2002, 09:08 AM	#5
cactus Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Durango Colorado Posts: 2,931	I am seriously considering trying scratch build and cycle components between planes in order to get my building side going without dropping 150 bucks on a flight pack and batteries everytime I see a plane I want. I have only put together foam kits at this point, so I'm not sure I know how to design the right surfaces and airfoils. Should I build a balsa kit first before I scratch build? I was thinking of doing a E-cub or one of the dumas free flight conversions as a first kit.... I have found that I get almost as much enjoyment building as I do flying. That's why I want to put some more of my own effort into my planes

Apr 23, 2002, 10:18 AM	#7
Tres Wright Live to ride... and fly! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney, TX Posts: 13,072	Cactus wrote: ==ummm Foaming! Doh! == Dang! I had a nice little pun in there and didn't even notice it Good idea on catching some nice morning air, and if the wind doesn't kick up well then who needs to go to work anyway? ==I have only put together foam kits at this point, so I'm not sure I know how to design the right surfaces and airfoils. Should I build a balsa kit first before I scratch build== I would recommend you take on a couple of balsa kits 1st. It will help to see how others lay out parts on sheet balsa, which way the grain needs to run, how heavy or light the various parts need to be, etc. I built up several planes when I started in the hobby years ago and then scratch-built a couple. They actually flew too! Will miracles never cease? To tell the truth, I greatly prefer the foamies now because I really took it hard when I crashed those balsa planes I had worked so hard on. I don't have much emotional attachment to the foamies, so I'm more inclined to take chances with them. Lucky wrote: ==Hehe, tell wife or girlfriend to get 2nd job in order to fund your e-hobby== LOL! Well, I have enough trouble keeping the "scope" of this hobby hidden from my wife as it is. Hustling packages up to the attic before she gets home, sneaking several planes into the car to go fly when she thinks I only have 2 or 3 total etc. etc. I'm sure you guys can relate!

Apr 23, 2002, 10:23 AM	#8
Tres Wright Live to ride... and fly! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Forney, TX Posts: 13,072	Salter wrote: ==Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit== Amen! I've got a Goldberg Mirage that I started about 8 years ago, and it is STILL sitting at the back of my work bench! Wing is totally finished and covered, fuse is about 85% built. Once something gets pushed aside in favor of another project, it's so hard to go back to it. One day I WILL finish it, but it'll probably be an "old timer" by then!

Apr 23, 2002, 09:00 PM	#11
Cass Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sudbury, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,164	Cactus I have to go with Len on the scratch build with fanfold. I have built about 7 gas type planes with balsa ( 3 scratch built). I never learned to fly on gas cause the repair after the (frequent ) crashes was too long. Now after being out of RC for 11 years i have started back in with the foamies. All my planes to date have been scratch (4 total) all with the DX-A from the TM kit( i have yet to build the TM). I have learned to fly on scratch built foamies. Just today i had 11 successful flights on a just completed 24 inch span plane. Its easy, try using some Stick and tissue plans to start with and blow them up 20% or so. this is what i did with my hurricane, 109, and a bashed 109/cap type plane ( the other is a Copy of Lens Almost Ultimate that i cant get the weight down on ) Best of all - if it crashes... So what?! build another and try and figure out where you went wrong. Salter wrote: ==Cheaper to build and takes longer. Just don't start it and then let it sit== heeheh I got a 5 foot p40 fusealge ready for skinning in my Garage, been with me for 2 moves, dont think i will ever finish it. Cass

Apr 23, 2002, 11:28 PM	#12
Martin Hunter Leave me alone! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kamloops, BC, Canada Posts: 15,109	Cass, do you have any pictures of your Waco or Henschel?

Apr 24, 2002, 12:31 PM	#13
russ6421 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: ny Posts: 1,270	Have to say this but I lean more toward foam all the time some of the stuff that is being built is just great. When you can build a plane for a few dollars is something else. If I wasn't moving soon would have to get right into it. But have more than enough planes to move now. But as soon as I get moved will get a foam cutter and a good air compresser. Been playing with the foam board just got somemore want to build a twin EDF

Apr 24, 2002, 08:10 PM	#15
Gonflyin01 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toledo Ohio, USA! Posts: 646	Sence i have been on the E-Zone i have designed and built Gnat speed 400 Laser 3D type plane Speed 400 miss bohemia type plane 4 flying wings converting a U-2 speed 400 seaplane electric boats AND ELECTRIC EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!! I'm only 14 guys! I have a fixed budget, and IM ADDICTED! (THANKS!!!)

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