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Old Apr 30, 2005, 10:21 AM
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Midwest's "new" giant PT Boat

Holy smokes!

http://www.midwestproducts.com/ElcoPT-109.htm
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:09 PM
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I'm so sick of PT 109. Wan't there any other PT boat that did good in the war?
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:17 PM
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Yeah, all the others but no other had a later Pres. as the capt.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:20 PM
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Easy to change or eliminate the number.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:26 PM
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I'm so sick of PT 109. Wan't there any other PT boat that did good in the war?
You really have to look at the history and the determination of JFK and his crew to appreciate the story.
These types of stories are needed in our times to remind ourselves what humanity can aspire to.

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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:26 PM
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"Did good in the war" certainly doesn't apply to PT-109! Her skipper was lucky to have powerful dad, otherwise it would have been a court martial for sure.
He turned ok later... maybe we can just chalk it up to "youthful indiscretion".

And when you change the number- make sure NOT to put a bow number on, PTs didn't carry them into the theater.

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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:28 PM
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Kmot - that link doesn't seem to work. Is that link for the 5 foot model that Midwest tried to sell for a while? From what I remember, that version was a built to order model only - you had to puts some money down and then Midwest would make it. IIRC the retail price was around $1000 for the model, almost RTR.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 01:54 PM
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Steve C- We pushed the send buttons at the same time, but reflect very different sentiments!
And I'll aplogize in advance... no questions of JFK's heroism after the event... and it certainly wasn't his fault that the whole mission that night was a SNAFU (60 torps launched with zero hits, radarless boats left there on their own after the radar boats high-tailed it out of there...). And there are arguments both ways on whether JFK had a chance to get out of the way. But no question, MacArthur wanted his hide.

JFK was asked about how he became a hero... he responded "it was involuntary- they sank my boat".
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 02:21 PM
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..........and it certainly wasn't his fault that the whole mission that night was a SNAFU............
I heard that PT boats were used primarily for night time operations. If we wanted to be authentic, we'd have to operate our models in pitch black.

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Old Oct 08, 2007, 02:35 PM
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The other reason producers of the 109 models use that number is the attraction of the history as seen through Hollywood with the movies ( name recognition ). Everytime they run the movie, it usally inspires some one out there to want a PT boat. My favorite PT boat movie has got to be "They were Dispesable" with John Wayne. I think in what I have heard about the boats and crews, this movie was a little more honest as to what they went through.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 02:38 PM
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McHales navy!!!
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 04:18 PM
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Kmot - that link doesn't seem to work.
That's because it is 2.5 years old!!

The 60" PT was going to be available from LHS's only, no mailorder. Other than that, I never read that you had to place an order for it first.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 04:21 PM
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McHales navy!!!

Yea Mchale!!! But that was a Vosper on TV and a 63' crash boat in the Tom Arnold movie.
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Old Oct 08, 2007, 04:45 PM
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JFK was asked about how he became a hero... he responded "it was involuntary- they sank my boat".
This can probably be said about most who have been labeled a hero.

Always interesting the comments after the fact, usually by someone who has never been to sea in a pitch black night or in fog so thick you cannot see the bow. Second guessing is easy, but does not really matter.

I get the same thing sometimes, but when your the one on deck and you have six men in your charge, and you really want them to go home in the same condition as they showed up for work, sometimes your decisions are not popular.

Just had to write a memo why the sea state prevented us from doing a test.

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Old Oct 09, 2007, 06:40 AM
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Keith S.

I think your favoriate movie is "They Were Expendable" and it is a great movie.
Just Love that Battleship Thinking of the Late 1930's early 1940's. Always liked the John Paul Jone's thinking - Give me a fast ship for I intend to go into Harm's Way. Which leds to another movie with some PT action, "In Harms Way". Another John Wayne movie. Not going to say anything about being accurate equipment, but both interesting movies. (not to many 77' ft elcos or real PT by the time of In Harm's Way)

Have fun,
Rich
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