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Old Mar 01, 2006, 09:23 PM
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Dear GWS Friends and Customers,

GWS are updating you about new GWS products. We have many combo sets for brushless products.

Product with Brushless Motor, Speed Controller and some with ESC Programming Board.

Please click on the link below to see the original document.

You will see the combo set and prices.

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/BLcombo03022006.doc

For More info and photos -- please check the previous GWS NEWS.

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/gwsnews0218.doc 530KB

We have the following new products.

1. GWS HD1260 Propeller
2. GWS EZ Pushrod Connector
3. Brushless Motors
4. GWS Brushless Speed Controllers
5. GWS Brushless ESC Programming Card.

We will try to keep you updated about GWS product and information. If you are interested in this new product, please contact your GWS sales representatives or email to export@gws.com.tw.
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Old Mar 04, 2006, 01:55 AM
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Problem of GWS ESC 15A to be with Futaba PCM system

Recently, under our testing, we are very supprised there is a problem for GWS ESC 15A to be match with with Futaba PCM system!

The initial signal from Futaba PCM system will make the programeable GWS ESC get erro reading.

The first lot fix type will be OK. Only 2nd lot of production ( programeable type ESC will be ).

Do you guys have tried with Futaba PCM?

We are keep trying. May be need to ask who own this ESC to send back for an exchange for a new ESC.
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Old Mar 05, 2006, 11:10 AM
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Exchange GWS ESC15A

Flyers in the USA, please contact GWS USA.
Service e-mail: service@gwsus.com
GWS U.S.A.
138 South Brent Circle City of Industry, CA 91789-3050
TEL : 909-594-GWS9(4979)
FAX : 909-594-8051

Flyers in Other Countries
Please contact GWS HQ
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 05:13 AM
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GWS Brushless Motor & ESC

Dear Early Bird Member,

We are pleased to present you the GWS New Product: GWS Outrunner Brushless Motor, Speed Controller and ESC Programming Card. As we did before, we now open to GWS Early Bird Member to order these products. Please check the link below for more product information.

http://www.gws.com.tw/english/produc.../brushless.htm

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/ESCmanual.jpg

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/prgmcardmanual.jpg

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/gwsnews0218.doc

If you are not a member or not familiar with Early Bird Program, please see the link below.

About Early Bird Program
http://www.gwsus.com/english/service/earlybird.htm


To order these products: Please contact GWS Early Bird Program Manger joyce@gws.com.tw. We will check the shipping cost and email the information to you.

We appreciate the opportunity of doing business with you and welcome your comments & suggestions that allow us to further improve our operations or products. We will try to keep you updated about GWS product and information. If you are interested in this new product, please contact your GWS Early Bird Program Manger joyce@gws.com.tw

Yours truly,


Ray

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Old Mar 10, 2006, 05:16 AM
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The last time I tried this early BIRD Program, the shipping cost from China gave me the BIRD Just too expensive.....I was trying to spring out a FORMOSA-II and shipping was $25.00 US

Thanks but, no thanks
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 10:32 AM
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The last time I tried this early BIRD Program, the shipping cost from China gave me the BIRD Just too expensive.....I was trying to spring out a FORMOSA-II and shipping was $25.00 US

Thanks but, no thanks
Now you know the problem faced by modelers ouside the USA when trying to order kits from there as US postage is more expensive than Taiwans. Luckily shiping costs from Taiwan to Australia are less than from Taiwan to the USA.

Ken
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 10:39 AM
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The last time I tried this early BIRD Program, the shipping cost from China gave me the BIRD Just too expensive.....I was trying to spring out a FORMOSA-II and shipping was $25.00 US

Thanks but, no thanks
Hi

I would like to say that shipping cost of these ESC and
programming card would be far cheaper than what you
said.
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 11:33 AM
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ESC Programming

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Originally Posted by RAY GWS
Dear Early Bird Member,

We are pleased to present you the GWS New Product: GWS Outrunner Brushless Motor, Speed Controller and ESC Programming Card. As we did before, we now open to GWS Early Bird Member to order these products. Please check the link below for more product information.

http://www.gws.com.tw/english/produc.../brushless.htm

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/ESCmanual.jpg

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/prgmcardmanual.jpg

http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/gwsnews0218.doc

If you are not a member or not familiar with Early Bird Program, please see the link below.

About Early Bird Program
http://www.gwsus.com/english/service/earlybird.htm


To order these products: Please contact GWS Early Bird Program Manger joyce@gws.com.tw. We will check the shipping cost and email the information to you.

We appreciate the opportunity of doing business with you and welcome your comments & suggestions that allow us to further improve our operations or products. We will try to keep you updated about GWS product and information. If you are interested in this new product, please contact your GWS Early Bird Program Manger joyce@gws.com.tw

Yours truly,


Ray

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Ray, thanks for posting the ESC and programming card instruction sheets. I strongly suggest you have one of your early bird users with a command of the English language go through these instructions and edit them into understandable English... much has been lost in the translation. For example, I think you mean "Black Button", not "Black Bottom" And there is redundancy is wording which could be made simpler and easier to understand.

I can pretty much understand the DIP switch settings, but the use of the throttle stick to set anything makes no sense whatsoever! It sounds like the default settings can be re-set with the stick, but nothing else. If this is not the case, you need to explain it much better.

I'm also curious about the battery selection switches #2 and #3. They are described as needing to be both up or both down. What happens if one is up and the other is down? Someone will inevitably do this, either intentionally to see what happens or by mistake. This function has the potential to destroy a lipo pack and/or a plane if mis-set, so it needs to be as reliable as possible. If both switches need to be either up or down, why not use just one switch to do the job so the user is less like to make a mistake?

You might have an excellent product here, but poor instructions can frustrate potential buyers and discourage their trying one. From what I've seen, I'm in that category .... just trying to help...
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 11:43 AM
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2212 Outrunner

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Dear Early Bird Member,

We are pleased to present you the GWS New Product: GWS Outrunner Brushless Motor...
http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/gwsnews0218.doc...Yours truly,


Ray

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Ray, this shows the 2212 motor to be first released as the 13 turn version. Is this correct, and are the test figures for this version poster earlier still accurate? It would be nice (necessary!) to have a more complete chart for this motor for a wider variety of props.
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Old Mar 10, 2006, 08:04 PM
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Hi Tom,

"Bottom" is an error, we'll correct it soon.

Setting on DIP switches would need to follow instructions excatly
as it is a part of program. Same on positions of throttle stick
when setting ESC. It seems not easy to modify/alter program
there.
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Old Mar 21, 2006, 09:30 PM
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More info about 2212/13T outrunner

- manual

http://www.gwsus.com/images/note%20book/e_gwblm003.jpg
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Old Mar 21, 2006, 10:28 PM
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More info about 2212/13T outrunner

- manual

http://www.gwsus.com/images/note%20book/e_gwblm003.jpg

That is cool, I can't wait for these motors to hit the shelves.

P.S.

It's probably stuff that everyone here is going to know, but not everyone who might buy it is going to be here.

The "manual" is not instructions they are cautions as to not burn up the motor.

Almost nothing on safe operation (to the person operating) the motor, how to connect it to the ESC, how to mount it DD or GB, installing the pinion gear, how to replace a pinion, says what the KV value is but not what KV is e.g. "RPM per volts," recommended cells, max amp burst, continuous amp draw, warranty and non-warranty repairs, and how to contact GWS. Not everyone has a computer to look up prop and batt charts.

As stupid as it may sound it is a liability to GWS if someone catches fire or cuts off a finger because of inadequate instructions and safe operation. I have seen people get sued for more stupid things than that and win.

The other liability is not being precise and clear what will and will not damage the motor and anything connected to the motor.

For example, there is nothing about must use BL ESC @ XXamps.

To the average customer who might be looking at this. You really need to assume you are writing to someone who knows nothing about it.

RE 1. I can see that on the chart.

RE 2. most are not going to know what they are running at in terms of W.

RE 4. Doesn't make sense. Does that mean it gives off toxins and I need to use the motor in a well ventilated space?

RE 5. means it still should work thought, right? You need to pick an number and be definitive e. g. will permanently damage motor above X degrees. "It doesn't say I can't run it above 70 degrees."

RE 6. Is duplication of 2. to some degree, and it is not real clear. What is the point?
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Old Mar 22, 2006, 07:49 PM
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Hi MakMov,

Thank you for your comments.

RE. 4 is a reminding as it would not be good to install a motor in
a closed fuselage without having ventilation at all.

RE. 5 is a reminding also as this motor could not work well when
getting above 70 degrees C. (158 degrees F.) on itself. You could still run it if you would like having its performance decreased.

I'd like to keep my colleague informed of your words.
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Old Mar 22, 2006, 10:28 PM
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Hi MakMov,

Thank you for your comments.

RE. 4 is a reminding as it would not be good to install a motor in
a closed fuselage without having ventilation at all.

RE. 5 is a reminding also as this motor could not work well when
getting above 70 degrees C. (158 degrees F.) on itself. You could still run it if you would like having its performance decreased.



I'd like to keep my colleague informed of your words.
You are welcome.

RE 4 Then you need to say that.

Running the motor without proper cooling and ventilation can cause permanent damage to the motor.

RE 5 Then you need to say performs best under 70 degrees or operating above 70 degrees will decrease the performance.

Be specific, and not so wishy-washy about important safety and performance operations.

Cheers
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Old Mar 24, 2006, 04:05 AM
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Dear flyers.


I did not post this product here before. Since I got new manual from GWS China. I post the info here with the manual. Products is avaialable now. Welcome any feedback. I really appreciate your info.

Manual
http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/GWT6A1.jpg
http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/GWT6A2.jpg

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GWS carries 6-channel transmitters on 35, 36, 40, 41, 72 and 75 MHz for the need of T6A around the world. GWS T6A with variety in the frequency can meet your need for customers in your region.


The Advantage of the T6A:

l Best Value of the Transmitter in Class.

l Add channels for landing gear and flap.

l With Ni-MH battery no memory effect.

l Compatible with all FM-PPM radio.

l FMS Flight Simulation compatible.

http://www.gws.com.tw/english/produc...ircuit/fsm.htm

l With adaptor to charge transmitter and GWS Ni-CD or Ni-MH battery packs for airplanes (7.2 ~ 9.6 V)

More info about T6A:
http://www.gws.com.tw/english/produc...rcuit/t4a2.htm


We welcome you to contact us. We will try to keep you updated about GWS product information. If you are interested in this new product, please contact your GWS dealers.

Yours truly,


Ray K. Liao
From GWS HQ
www.gws.com.tw

Original doc.
http://download.gwsus.com/gwstw/03242006T6A.doc
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