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Old Feb 01, 2005, 08:34 PM
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Custom Paint Jobs - Show us your Paint!!

I just picked up a GWS PT-17 Stearman kit and don't really think much of the bright colours of the prepainted version... with a bright orange prop on the front and it kinda looks like a kids toy, rather than a scale replica of a great plane! So I'm thinking of giving it a custom paint job but not quite sure what to do... both practically and designally. I'd like to keep scale with paint schemes but after doing an image seach on google, there are alot of private PT-17's with all sorts of paint schemes... so I guess the skies the limit!

So if anyone has any tips on how to prepare the prepainted foam surface and applying paint and finishing then I'd be greatly appreciated for any advice.

Or if anyone has done a custom paint job on their GWS foamie then please post it for all to see your handy work!
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Old Feb 01, 2005, 08:41 PM
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I may be way off here, but I think the reason orange props are used on electric, is because electric does not make as much noise in the air as gas, so you don't know if the engine is working. With the bright color, you can see the prop spinning. Is that it? (I think they are ugly as well)

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Old Feb 01, 2005, 10:17 PM
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Chad you are on track. The orange was used as Mr. Lin has explained several times for safety reasons. I simply use a brown or black marking pen on them and with the brown they actually look like they might be wood..at least when they are spinning. I have seen gray and black props more recently as well.
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Old Feb 01, 2005, 11:33 PM
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I went into ModelFlight when I went to Adelaide (Big LHS in local capital city) and they had black props in some sizes... I grabbed some hyperdrive ones for my corsair as the big orange prop really does look funny while doing a flyby, and especially if you take some still photo's! I also found some grey ones off ebay. So there are alternatives. I always felt these orange props kinda makes these planes look like toys, passerby's and gas guys must be thinking the same! LOL! big kids and their toys!

When I first looked in the kit and saw the bright yellow wings, bright light blue fuse and the bundled orange prop! It just looked like a big pre-schooler plaything! LOL! Probably didn't help with the fact that my young lad had a smaller sponge PT17 plush style toy!

Anyway, I'm still want to look at re-painting this plane... I found some photo's of some USAF silver/bare metal finish pt17's, from the photo's it doesn't look too bad - some samples:

http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetrAzQ/P...2-a%20copy.jpg
http://www.neam.org/images/stearman_lg.jpg
http://www.motionmodels.com/custom/mmc-073.jpg

A local paint shop stocks acrylic silver paint so could very be a possibility... and it's scale, visibility should still be ok, although against an overcast sky could be trying. I could then have some fun with detailing with some black paint in the airbrush, create exhaust marks etc...
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Old Feb 02, 2005, 12:34 AM
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Michnet76,

On overcast days, could you not try some orange safety film or safety ribbon around your fuselage? When I say film, I have in mind that stuff that you can put on the inside of your car window and it peels off then resticks. You could wrap a piece around vertically and attach it to itself so those overcast days won't be so trying.

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Old Feb 02, 2005, 07:08 AM
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That's a great idea Chad! Thanks!

Another thought I'm having is just repainting the fuse with a darker blue... that ought to get rid of that play toy look! Plus it's still scale:

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~kx5h-skr...ou/PT17-84.jpg
http://www.deltaaviation.co.uk/img/stearman_8.jpg
http://www.albamodel.com/airplane/ro...obbe_pt_17.JPG

Alternatively, I could paint the fuse and wings a darker yellow like the US Navy version with big red/blue stripes... I could handle that! LOL!

http://www.richsniches.com/images/aircraft/NZ761-PE.jpg
http://www.aeromardelplata.com.ar/boxes_pt-17.jpg

Another alternative I've seen pop up around the place which I don't mind as it adds more interest and detail are the US Army and Navy versions that have a silver nose continueing up across the fuse past the second cockpit:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/paulderby...s/Stearman.jpg
http://www.marcpoole.com/art/aviation/stearman.gif

Anyone have any ideas on how to prepare the prepainted surface for a new paint job? Is there a miraculous foam friendly paint stripper? Or does it boil down to a bit of sand paper and some good ol' elbow grease!?? Inwhich case would wet rubbing with waterproof sandpaper, or just dry rubbing with a fine sandpaper work better??
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Old Feb 02, 2005, 07:51 AM
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In followup to the above reply, I've taken some images of some built pt17's and did some quick editing in Photoshop to see what the colour scheme would look like.

I would also like to give credit to guapoman2000 and thunder1 for the original pt17 build and photo's... hope they don't mind me bastardising (that is an official word by the way used in the printing industry for manipulating beyond it's design parameters) around with them!





What do you all think?
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Old Feb 04, 2005, 04:00 AM
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I like the way you can actually see how a plane might look before you blow the paint on! I also like the altered paint job. Ive got a guillows pt17 that I did for radio, but I painted mine with the blue and yellow. It definately looks more scale than the gws version, but with a little tampering, the gws one could look real good also. You could always break the mould and go for the super stearman look with an added cowl. They look great too. Barry.
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Old Feb 04, 2005, 04:06 AM
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Sorry they aint gws, but here they are anyway.
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Old Feb 04, 2005, 10:39 AM
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thanks 4 the feedbak rcminiman... what brand is your pt17? i thought about going with something like the super stearman, but spare beaver cowls are near impossible to find in australia, if anyone out there knows of somewhere in oz to get spare gws parts plz let me know!! i live out in the county and finding specialised stuff in local shops is near impossible... i was on the hunt for some dk blue acrylic and no one has anything in stock, the closest is a lighter blue like the original gws colour. So i'm gonna have to consider a dif colour scheme yet again... i made up another mock pic based on the navy version, with a white/light grey fuse with blue stripes on the wings and fuse with a blue rudder. wings are yellow. Also added that silver bit as i like the complexity it brings. I have that jpeg on my desktop so i'll upload it next time i'm on it... i'm writing this on my wireless pda (great things!) and hand is getting tired of handwriting this! plz excuse any mistakes!

i've started sanding down the fuse so if anyone's interested i'll snap away with the digicam and post some build/painting pics as it proesses.
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Old Feb 15, 2005, 09:28 AM
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She's painted! I think it looks good anyway!

Well, I've finally finished painting this stearman in the intended colours I wanted. It's kinda scale, although I've taken artistic license and used the silver nose on this navy version. I've seen the silver nose on the full yellow fuse version and even one with the white fuse and red stripes, but not the white fuse and blue stripes... but I don't think anyone at the local field here is gonna pick me up on it! LOL!

She's far from finished yet, I only just mounted the top wing tonight, I'll work on the rest as time progresses.











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Old Feb 15, 2005, 10:00 AM
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Hey there Mich,Well done!!!, you sure got that baby looking great! Every bit a stearman!! My one is a guillows balsa kit. 28" wingspan, originally designed for rubber power, now fitted with a direct drive speed 400. Barry.
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Old Feb 15, 2005, 09:35 PM
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Nice paint jobs!
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Old Feb 15, 2005, 11:10 PM
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Thanks for your comments rcminiman and Mr Lin... I'm really happy with the way it's come up, the photo's really don't do it justice! LOL! Can't wait to finish it off and maiden her. I'm going to run with a stock motor for now, except going to swap out the B gear with a C gear as I've never been able to get a good battery/prop combination to work with the B gear, so it'll be a EPS350C/C gear with a 9070 bolted to the front being fed by a 2S lipo... bout the best setup I've found with the 350 motor. I have an APEX DIY 300 brushless motor I might consider popping with a 3S if it seems too underpowered, but it is a bipe so I'm not expecting a speed demon, just a casual flier that can do the odd loop and roll. I'll leave the aerobatics to my GWS Corsair!

Thanks again Mr Lin for another great model, evey GWS kit I buy gets better and better with it's production quality and ease of build! Next project's gonna be a C-130 or whatever else that's big and has lots of motors! Has GWS considered adding some 4 engined bombers to compliment its warbird range? I could imagine a nice B17, or Lancastor ROG'ing off my runway!!
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Old Feb 16, 2005, 12:51 AM
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Custom pain on Spitfire. Rework airplane. Repaint airplane.

First of all I want to make it clear. This is a wonderful plane to fly the way GWS tells you to put it together. It just if you put a light Brushless motor and use lipo batteries instead of Brushed motor and Night cad batteries on the Spitfire you may conceder making these changes to the plane to help balance the plane instead of just adding nose weight.
To make this plane fly right you need to make some changers to this plane. The alternative is to add a ton of nose weight. (Not my first choice as you can see LOL!!!)
The reason I changed the paint is the camouflage is it worked too well. The plane became a silo-wet and was hard to see. Buy the way yes the silver is a real post war paint job. http://www.airliners.net/search/pho...inct_entry=true
Decals will be on the plane shortly. Now lets get to what I did to the plane. I extend the nose along with shifting everything forward (battery, servos receiver excreta) really worked well. Now the plane flies like itís on a rail.
Picture (1) Where I started. (Stock plane constructed per the plans)
Picture (2) Changes inside airplane.
Picture (3) Changes to the fuselage (I added 1.75 inches right in front of wing)
Picture (4) Repainted less decals
One other advantage to doing this setup is you can switch out the Thunder Power 3s 2100 pack and replace it with a 3s 1320 battery pack. Then change the prop on the BP21 from 8x6 to a 7x6 cut your amp draw from 22 amps to 12 amps and loose 2.5 oz of weight in the plane due to a smaller battery and have close to the same flight tines.
Itís a lot of extra work but well worth the time. Now the plane is light and flies like it on a rail.
Mike
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