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Old Sep 06, 2001, 11:57 AM
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Plan ideas - What do you think?

Since my last posting about plans seems to have gone to cyber heaven, I thought I'd see what you thought of these possible designs:-
SPERRY MESSENGER
KINNER 'CANARY'
1911 HIRONDELLE
AVRO AVIAN
BLERIOT PARASOL
Sorry, couldn't resist another '14-'18 type.
Do please let me know which, if any, appeal to you.
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Old Sep 06, 2001, 02:00 PM
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Try this one: http://www.adrageous.com/burgessdunne/listings.html

The Sperry is too cute to ignore any longer!

Ditto the Kinnear

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Dereck

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Old Sep 06, 2001, 03:18 PM
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Dereck,
What is it with you and this plane?
I'd need to study some three views before I'd even consider something like this. It's a little unusual even for me.
Pete
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Old Sep 06, 2001, 03:43 PM
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So, Peter, does that mean that you only need a 3 view? I have a small one or you could get a copy from John Sizer over there.

Cheers,

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Old Sep 06, 2001, 05:32 PM
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Oh good grief Martin, Dereck doesn't need any encouragement. Mind you, you could always build one a bit smaller than your usual models.
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Old Sep 07, 2001, 02:02 AM
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Go for the Sperry Messenger!!
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Old Sep 07, 2001, 04:13 PM
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The Hirondelle (swallow) is on my list for some time in the distant future. It gets my vote! Sam
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Old Sep 07, 2001, 05:14 PM
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The Messenger is certainly a good looker to my eye.

I'll show my leanings towards Golden Age biplanes by suggesting a Stampe, Waco, Great Lakes, etc whenever you want to look a little later in time!

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Old Sep 07, 2001, 10:01 PM
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Hi Peter
Back when I was just starting in RC and still had time to tinker with all sorts of stuff (I was in the RAF, as opposed to working for a living ), I built this little thing out of dear old Aeromodeller, called "Fozzle".

It was about the ultimate in semiscale Dunne tailless bipes, FF for a Telco CO2 - if you remember those things. Fozzle was two parallel chord, swept back wings, about 12" a panel, trim tab / elevons on the ends, held apart - or even together - with a centre full depth 'fuselage' and tip skirts between the full chord of the tips, so they did fin stuff as well.

You trimmed it by tweaking the elevons up from a starting reflex setting. That little device would wizz around holding height in around a ten foot circle for minutes on end, in a real steep bank but still hold height.

I've often wondered why I don't dig out the plan - I know its in there someplace - and make a bigger one. From there, its a hop to a Dunne.

But you seem to have a better knack around little bitty RC than I ever have.

Besides, you need a challenge ...

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Old Sep 08, 2001, 02:24 AM
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I have seen a large wet power Dunne flying at one of the La Ferte Alais shows in France, built by a German chap I believe. It was a remarkable stable flyer for such a fragile looking contraption, even in the rather gusty conditions prevailing at the time. I am working on a scale flying wing for Sp400 power too (Dereck knows which one), and I would love to see someone design a small Dunne.

Go for it,
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Old Sep 08, 2001, 03:04 AM
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Hi Peter,

Bleriot parasol would be first on my list,infact any bleriot,cant stop building them!!!.
But i am sure other members will gladly advise on what aircraft to design next,the problem is that there were so many good old aircraft,some good looking,and some bad!!!,and most of them,would be well worth modelling,i think you said this yourself Peter,in a previous article,afew months ago,about that strange looking aircraft,name escapes me now,sure you know!!,infact might dig it out and build it!!!.
Good luck,and we await your next plan

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Taube

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Old Sep 08, 2001, 06:15 AM
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Which strange looking aircraft? Some people would say that most of my models fall into that range.
I know I definitely said something along those lines in the DH6 article, but it could just as easily have been the Renard or the Botali Pama. There Again, it could have been.....
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Old Sep 09, 2001, 02:14 AM
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Hi Peter,

You are right,most are very strange!!!,but are classic,the early aircraft do have a special charm,and nothing can take that away,and seeing the aircraft,in model form, fly,just cant be beaten,yes on the DH6,but looks good in the air!!!!

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Old Sep 09, 2001, 07:26 AM
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Hey pete,
The Sopwith Swallow looks good or to quieten Dereck down a bit try this http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/otproj.../triplane.html
Yup, The blokes at the Nieuport factory just couldn't help themselves. I eagerly await your version!....Well you asked for it!!
hugh
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Old Sep 09, 2001, 10:02 AM
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Hugh,
You do realise that those comments are tantamount to sacrelige don't you? They are most certainly slanderous. Despite how much I love Nieuports, even I can't be goaded into building their triplane. Well, not this month anyway.
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