Suggested improvements for next Gen BR? - Page 5

omdunor · Feb 07, 2005, 09:34 AM

honestly i have'nt tested it yet,but as soon as i get my spare M24 tail rotor motor i will try it out since i will have 2 of these,so far i can tell you that when i hooked it to my br it seemed to be running fine but that was not a flight test,just a bench trial,by the way that motor has a capacitor and apparently it was not inclined to over heating as much as the original motor

carl9999 · Feb 07, 2005, 11:38 AM

how about making a high powered battery with one main rotor motor bit bigger than the type already in
rotate the tail rotor to the side 90* ant have it like a normal heli but with two main rotors

omdunor · Feb 07, 2005, 12:04 PM

i do not quite understand what you mean Carl!

carl9999 · Feb 08, 2005, 11:12 AM

not many do

omdunor · Feb 08, 2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carl9999

how about making a high powered battery with one main rotor motor bit bigger than the type already in
rotate the tail rotor to the side 90* ant have it like a normal heli but with two main rotors

seems like you are try to built a regular helicopter,you have to keep in mind that a double rotor like the BR eliminates the need for the tail rotor has we know it since the rotors are turning in opposite direction thus removing the gyro effect,but the BR being(lets not forget it) a toy,does not have the complex mechanic involved in bigger helicopter that permits controling the craft from the rotor so they put the little tail rotor to give the angle necessary to go either forward or backward

omdunor · Feb 24, 2005, 09:12 AM

the next generation of BR should come with carbon brushes motors,stronger built main rotors and have a circuitry check before leaving the factory line,in other words it should be upgraded to at least match(being better would be ideal) the copy counterpart wich right now is way ahead as far as reliability goes (for those who can't take the truth;sorry but i don't suck up to anyone...boy am i dumb...lol)

webcrawler · Feb 27, 2005, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carl9999

how about making a high powered battery with one main rotor motor bit bigger than the type already in
rotate the tail rotor to the side 90* ant have it like a normal heli but with two main rotors

Well, you could *add* a vertical rotor and keep on using the one already on there for forward/backward motion. Unfortunately, the speed of the vertical tail rotor has to synch with the main rotor (you would theoretically only need one). The main rotor's centrifugal force, which would be corrected for yaw by the vertical tail rotor, is directly proportional to it's speed, and that's what the tail rotor corrects for. That means some kind of circuitry to implement that equation, whatever it is.

Steve

StephanB · Mar 02, 2005, 06:39 PM

Fotta,
short list:
- make it easily available in Germany/ Europe. You may sell thousands...
- read carefully posts of user jogiheli on this board. you will find the cheap electronic solution for the burning motors major topic. (higher freq.)
- give more response on this board, so that we may believe, that someone listen.....
Stephan

Fotta · Mar 04, 2005, 10:16 PM

StephanB - yes, listening. There are some excellent suggestions coming out of this thread and doubtless some will be incorporated. This has been brought up here and elsewhere - ITC must be very careful to stay within the niche that the BR is intended for in terms of complexity and very significantly, price point.

StephanB · Mar 05, 2005, 07:04 AM

Fotta,
i agree in general, but had to import my BR to Germany myself, which costs me EUR 25 for p and p and EUR 13 for customs, all together i paid around EUR 90,--
Bad price.
You should look for new markets :-)
Stephan

Fotta · Mar 05, 2005, 10:27 AM

Well, I guess that could be classified as an improvement for the next generation. In fact Nimex is going to handle distribution in Germany and Switzerland. We're finalizing the details now.

StephanB · Mar 05, 2005, 12:52 PM

God news, Fotta! Thumbs up.
Thanks.
Stephan

lunartick · Mar 21, 2005, 11:09 AM

Here is my pennies worth.

I have had my BR for just 3 days, and it's a superb product! WELL DONE!

The switch and charging socket are of course the weak points, I could easily see those breaking without extreme care!..

Obviously stronger body construction and longer fligh times would be more desirable that goes without saying, perhaps consier thin aluminium type foil instead of plastic blades - would that work?

Is there any way the rotors could be made a smaller diameter? perhaps by using 5 blade rotors instead of 4? (when navigating doorways etc the blades are so big they could collide with doorframes etc)...

What about having a small adjustable sliding weight (piece of plastic) that you can slide forward or backwards to trim the forward pitch?. mine hardly moves forward at all, so I will need to add a small piece of clay/blue tack, underneath to make it go forward! an adjustable balance weight (it would onloy need to be a tiny piece of plastic tube on one of the landing legs.

A low battery indicator would be good, perhaps adding a small surface mount red flashing LED underneath on the electronics PCB might a be good idea?

If it flashed green it would look like a real strobe, then changed to red to warn you to land, as the power dropped off. - The current consumption would be tiny, so do it!

I haven't come accross any problems yet, but it looks like better motors are surley going to be on the list.

Hope that helps.
Mark

omdunor · Mar 21, 2005, 11:46 AM

Mark fly it a few more weeks(or days depending on how long it will last...) and you might come up with some realistic suggestions,
In the mean time you should read more of this forum,it will teach you a thing or two,"SO DO IT"... lol
The battery indicator means more weight and anyway you have one by watching the behavior of the BR,
Smaller rotors?!?! no comments(your colliding is due to sucking effect(read forum),
The switch and charging outlet,besides sometimes not being wired correctly at the factory has not been an issue so far,
Stronger body construction...not an issue either,
And finally yes the rotors could be made of a more resilient material but it could also mean higher cost for us consumers.
louis

Steve Shepard · Mar 21, 2005, 11:32 PM

Mark: Take your laptop with you when you go to the "reading room", and spend endless hours reading the posts from dozens and dozens of BR owners who have already re-engineered this fine "toy" in just about every way possible. There is one thread that is over 1000 posts long, another one that is some 46 pages long at present, and, of course this part. Feel free to use the search feature - that's what it's for.

As far as bodies are a concerned, they are just a waste of time to even think about, since you will find it necessary to dump the body in order to do normal maintenance work (lubrication, motor replacement, cg shift, etc.) If you are after a "shelf queen", have at it and make a paper body or learn to vac form. No matter, a body still adds uneeded weight to a chopper that is in need of a diet right out of the box.

Feb 07, 2005, 09:34 AM	#61
omdunor R/C unconditionnal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cote nord/quebec/canada Posts: 284	honestly i have'nt tested it yet,but as soon as i get my spare M24 tail rotor motor i will try it out since i will have 2 of these,so far i can tell you that when i hooked it to my br it seemed to be running fine but that was not a flight test,just a bench trial,by the way that motor has a capacitor and apparently it was not inclined to over heating as much as the original motor Last edited by omdunor; Feb 07, 2005 at 12:29 PM.

Mar 21, 2005, 11:46 AM	#74
omdunor R/C unconditionnal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cote nord/quebec/canada Posts: 284	Mark fly it a few more weeks(or days depending on how long it will last...) and you might come up with some realistic suggestions, In the mean time you should read more of this forum,it will teach you a thing or two,"SO DO IT"... lol The battery indicator means more weight and anyway you have one by watching the behavior of the BR, Smaller rotors?!?! no comments(your colliding is due to sucking effect(read forum), The switch and charging outlet,besides sometimes not being wired correctly at the factory has not been an issue so far, Stronger body construction...not an issue either, And finally yes the rotors could be made of a more resilient material but it could also mean higher cost for us consumers. louis Last edited by omdunor; Mar 21, 2005 at 12:04 PM.

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Feb 07, 2005, 11:38 AM	#62
carl9999 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 60	how about making a high powered battery with one main rotor motor bit bigger than the type already in rotate the tail rotor to the side 90* ant have it like a normal heli but with two main rotors

Feb 07, 2005, 12:04 PM	#63
omdunor R/C unconditionnal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cote nord/quebec/canada Posts: 284	i do not quite understand what you mean Carl!

Feb 08, 2005, 11:12 AM	#64
carl9999 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 60	not many do

Feb 24, 2005, 09:12 AM	#66
omdunor R/C unconditionnal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: cote nord/quebec/canada Posts: 284	the next generation of BR should come with carbon brushes motors,stronger built main rotors and have a circuitry check before leaving the factory line,in other words it should be upgraded to at least match(being better would be ideal) the copy counterpart wich right now is way ahead as far as reliability goes (for those who can't take the truth;sorry but i don't suck up to anyone...boy am i dumb...lol)

Mar 02, 2005, 06:39 PM	#68
StephanB Restricted User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Frankfurt-region, Germany Posts: 1,254	Fotta, short list: - make it easily available in Germany/ Europe. You may sell thousands... - read carefully posts of user jogiheli on this board. you will find the cheap electronic solution for the burning motors major topic. (higher freq.) - give more response on this board, so that we may believe, that someone listen..... Stephan

Mar 04, 2005, 10:16 PM	#69
Fotta Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 155	StephanB - yes, listening. There are some excellent suggestions coming out of this thread and doubtless some will be incorporated. This has been brought up here and elsewhere - ITC must be very careful to stay within the niche that the BR is intended for in terms of complexity and very significantly, price point.

Mar 05, 2005, 07:04 AM	#70
StephanB Restricted User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Frankfurt-region, Germany Posts: 1,254	Fotta, i agree in general, but had to import my BR to Germany myself, which costs me EUR 25 for p and p and EUR 13 for customs, all together i paid around EUR 90,-- Bad price. You should look for new markets :-) Stephan

Mar 05, 2005, 10:27 AM	#71
Fotta Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 155	Well, I guess that could be classified as an improvement for the next generation. In fact Nimex is going to handle distribution in Germany and Switzerland. We're finalizing the details now.

Mar 05, 2005, 12:52 PM	#72
StephanB Restricted User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Frankfurt-region, Germany Posts: 1,254	God news, Fotta! Thumbs up. Thanks. Stephan

Mar 21, 2005, 11:09 AM	#73
lunartick Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: England Posts: 7	Here is my pennies worth. I have had my BR for just 3 days, and it's a superb product! WELL DONE! The switch and charging socket are of course the weak points, I could easily see those breaking without extreme care!.. Obviously stronger body construction and longer fligh times would be more desirable that goes without saying, perhaps consier thin aluminium type foil instead of plastic blades - would that work? Is there any way the rotors could be made a smaller diameter? perhaps by using 5 blade rotors instead of 4? (when navigating doorways etc the blades are so big they could collide with doorframes etc)... What about having a small adjustable sliding weight (piece of plastic) that you can slide forward or backwards to trim the forward pitch?. mine hardly moves forward at all, so I will need to add a small piece of clay/blue tack, underneath to make it go forward! an adjustable balance weight (it would onloy need to be a tiny piece of plastic tube on one of the landing legs. A low battery indicator would be good, perhaps adding a small surface mount red flashing LED underneath on the electronics PCB might a be good idea? If it flashed green it would look like a real strobe, then changed to red to warn you to land, as the power dropped off. - The current consumption would be tiny, so do it! I haven't come accross any problems yet, but it looks like better motors are surley going to be on the list. Hope that helps. Mark

Mar 21, 2005, 11:32 PM	#75
Steve Shepard Infinitisqrd Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hilo, Hawaii Posts: 1,210	Mark: Take your laptop with you when you go to the "reading room", and spend endless hours reading the posts from dozens and dozens of BR owners who have already re-engineered this fine "toy" in just about every way possible. There is one thread that is over 1000 posts long, another one that is some 46 pages long at present, and, of course this part. Feel free to use the search feature - that's what it's for. As far as bodies are a concerned, they are just a waste of time to even think about, since you will find it necessary to dump the body in order to do normal maintenance work (lubrication, motor replacement, cg shift, etc.) If you are after a "shelf queen", have at it and make a paper body or learn to vac form. No matter, a body still adds uneeded weight to a chopper that is in need of a diet right out of the box.