Suggested improvements for next Gen BR? - Page 3

hotairflyer · Jan 15, 2005, 11:43 AM

1. Longer lasting, easily obtainable & replaceable main motors
2. Cooling vents thru body over motors & batt
3. Consistant battery quality, replacements plug in from bottom allowing sale
of backup batteries and charging of more than 1 pack
4. TX charges to more consistant cutoff voltage
5. Mix and match different color and CLEAR paintable/customizeable bodies
that easily snap on and off (one with FLAMES

)
6. A micro pager one

psyopper · Jan 15, 2005, 02:30 PM

Hmmm... a thought on motor duration and trim issues...

What about a single motor system with a larger (and brushless) motor. Two gears on the motor shaft, one to turn the lower rotor in current design and one with an intermediary gear to counter-rotate the top rotor. Other than initial rotor pitch adjustment for initial trim it should require little if any future trim adjustments.

Brad

hotairflyer · Jan 15, 2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psyopper

Hmmm... a thought on motor duration and trim issues...

What about a single motor system with a larger (and brushless) motor. Two gears on the motor shaft, one to turn the lower rotor in current design and one with an intermediary gear to counter-rotate the top rotor. Other than initial rotor pitch adjustment for initial trim it should require little if any future trim adjustments.

Brad

AFAICT It steers by varying the seperate rotor rpm, I think this would be hard with a single motor and no swashplate.

Gene Bond · Jan 15, 2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotairflyer

AFAICT It steers by varying the seperate rotor rpm, I think this would be hard with a single motor and no swashplate.

What about using a 2nd tail rotor? One for vertical (F/B), and one for horizontal (R/L) ? Might be worth a shot....

Assasin · Jan 15, 2005, 11:12 PM

Seems nearly everything mentioned here can be had already. But from megatech's Housefly. I agree that the BR is an awesome toy heli, but it is after all a toy. If you incorperate many of the wants into it the price will go up to probably the same as the Housefly. I would be willing to buy an upgraded model if the upgrades were made for an extra $50.00 or so added to the price tag.

Jerry Combs · Jan 16, 2005, 01:33 PM

The only change that I see needed ( based on my Blade Runner ) would be motors that last longer. I was able to obtain a replacement set from Paul, thanks Paul! Mine is from QVC and so has the better battery. I have gotten it flying well enough to fly through every doorway etc in my house and have a ball with it. A hearty thanks to Petter for designing such a fun model and thanks to ITC for producing it!

For those who are have problems breaking the rotors give this a try: Wrap a 1" long piece of "Blenderm" tape around the blades at the tips. Blenderm tape works much better than "Scotch" tape.

Jerry Combs

Tim Wolff · Jan 16, 2005, 02:14 PM

I'll second taping the outer rotor tips. I do top and bottom rotors. Scotch tape works just fine. Std. scotch tape width covers enough of the length and wrapping half way back top and bottom keeps the rotor tips from cracking and chipping when the rotors clash.

Adding the 10mm extra spacer between the rotos make a world of difference too.

farmer911 · Jan 17, 2005, 04:22 AM

The solution to the forward flight problem is as follows. Tape a penny to the front bottem of the Blande Runner, and this solves the forward flight problem. You dont even need to remove the plastic gard around the tail rotor, aka catkiller mod, unless you want to.

uav51 · Jan 17, 2005, 06:34 AM

Return to Petter's original concept of using rubber bands and pulleys - no gear meshing problems, no gear wear, easier on motors and rotors, easy to replace a rubber band, very quiet, and I would assume cheaper to produce.

GMRO · Jan 17, 2005, 09:24 AM

Hey guys,

Just a suggestion...but how about a MP4 player included too??? <LOL>

Kidding aside, really you guys have come up with some great suggestions. Can't think of anything to add. With all the positive input I'm sure the BR is here to stay!

__________
Best regards,

Ron Osinski
aka - GMRO

Fotta · Jan 17, 2005, 07:23 PM

Very interesting posts - keep 'em coming....
A few responses to various issues raised in this thread.
1) I did not invent the BR- that honor falls to Petter
2) I manage ITC
3) Yes, the idea behind this thread is to allow us to respond to what *you* want in next gen BRs.

Steve Shepard · Jan 17, 2005, 10:00 PM

FOTTA: Do you have any ballpark idea when we might look forward to the nex/gen BR ? My credit card is burning a hole in my pants !

alan_gbk · Jan 17, 2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petter

And the inventer is also listening ....

Thank you all for good suggestions. Hopefully we will be able to put at least a few of these improvements into future models.

Petter

Hi Petter, glad to know u. Great invention!! But I have problem with the flight time. Less than 30 seconds.

Maybe I will get one Kokam Lipo soon.

farmer911 · Jan 18, 2005, 03:20 AM

ok now the only problem i seem 2 be having with the Blade Runner is rotor control, for some reason my Blade Runner keeps swinging to the right... any suggestions on how 2 fix the problem. Also can a nip in the blade cause this problem....

Fotta · Jan 18, 2005, 03:03 PM

Steve_Shepard - sorry all I can say is that we are working on new versions.

Jan 15, 2005, 11:43 AM	#31
hotairflyer No Dear its not a new one Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,484	1. Longer lasting, easily obtainable & replaceable main motors 2. Cooling vents thru body over motors & batt 3. Consistant battery quality, replacements plug in from bottom allowing sale of backup batteries and charging of more than 1 pack 4. TX charges to more consistant cutoff voltage 5. Mix and match different color and CLEAR paintable/customizeable bodies that easily snap on and off (one with FLAMES ) 6. A micro pager one Last edited by hotairflyer; Jan 15, 2005 at 11:48 AM.

Jan 17, 2005, 04:22 AM	#38
farmer911 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Downey Posts: 6	The Solution to Forward Fight The solution to the forward flight problem is as follows. Tape a penny to the front bottem of the Blande Runner, and this solves the forward flight problem. You dont even need to remove the plastic gard around the tail rotor, aka catkiller mod, unless you want to.

Jan 17, 2005, 09:24 AM	#40
GMRO Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Russellton, PA Posts: 738	MP4 Player Hey guys, Just a suggestion...but how about a MP4 player included too??? <LOL> Kidding aside, really you guys have come up with some great suggestions. Can't think of anything to add. With all the positive input I'm sure the BR is here to stay! __________ Best regards, Ron Osinski aka - GMRO

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Jan 15, 2005, 02:30 PM	#32
psyopper Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9	Hmmm... a thought on motor duration and trim issues... What about a single motor system with a larger (and brushless) motor. Two gears on the motor shaft, one to turn the lower rotor in current design and one with an intermediary gear to counter-rotate the top rotor. Other than initial rotor pitch adjustment for initial trim it should require little if any future trim adjustments. Brad

Jan 15, 2005, 11:12 PM	#35
Assasin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	Seems nearly everything mentioned here can be had already. But from megatech's Housefly. I agree that the BR is an awesome toy heli, but it is after all a toy. If you incorperate many of the wants into it the price will go up to probably the same as the Housefly. I would be willing to buy an upgraded model if the upgrades were made for an extra $50.00 or so added to the price tag.

Jan 16, 2005, 01:33 PM	#36
Jerry Combs RIP ElectRick Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wyandotte Oklahoma Posts: 2,727	The only change that I see needed ( based on my Blade Runner ) would be motors that last longer. I was able to obtain a replacement set from Paul, thanks Paul! Mine is from QVC and so has the better battery. I have gotten it flying well enough to fly through every doorway etc in my house and have a ball with it. A hearty thanks to Petter for designing such a fun model and thanks to ITC for producing it! For those who are have problems breaking the rotors give this a try: Wrap a 1" long piece of "Blenderm" tape around the blades at the tips. Blenderm tape works much better than "Scotch" tape. Jerry Combs

Jan 16, 2005, 02:14 PM	#37
Tim Wolff Pedestrian! Don't Shoot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lambertville, Michigan, United States Posts: 4,971	I'll second taping the outer rotor tips. I do top and bottom rotors. Scotch tape works just fine. Std. scotch tape width covers enough of the length and wrapping half way back top and bottom keeps the rotor tips from cracking and chipping when the rotors clash. Adding the 10mm extra spacer between the rotos make a world of difference too.

Jan 17, 2005, 06:34 AM	#39
uav51 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 606	Return to Petter's original concept of using rubber bands and pulleys - no gear meshing problems, no gear wear, easier on motors and rotors, easy to replace a rubber band, very quiet, and I would assume cheaper to produce.

Jan 17, 2005, 07:23 PM	#41
Fotta Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 155	Very interesting posts - keep 'em coming.... A few responses to various issues raised in this thread. 1) I did not invent the BR- that honor falls to Petter 2) I manage ITC 3) Yes, the idea behind this thread is to allow us to respond to what you want in next gen BRs.

Jan 17, 2005, 10:00 PM	#42
Steve Shepard Infinitisqrd Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hilo, Hawaii Posts: 1,210	FOTTA: Do you have any ballpark idea when we might look forward to the nex/gen BR ? My credit card is burning a hole in my pants !

Jan 18, 2005, 03:20 AM	#44
farmer911 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Downey Posts: 6	ok now the only problem i seem 2 be having with the Blade Runner is rotor control, for some reason my Blade Runner keeps swinging to the right... any suggestions on how 2 fix the problem. Also can a nip in the blade cause this problem....

Jan 18, 2005, 03:03 PM	#45
Fotta Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 155	Steve_Shepard - sorry all I can say is that we are working on new versions.