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Old Jan 11, 2005, 09:35 PM
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What would your ideal electric AP plane design look like?

I'm tossing around ideas for the ideal AP platform. These would be my requitements:

1) Electric power

2) A good flier that does not "flit" about in the sky.

3) Able to handle some wind easily

4) Large enough to see at altitude, I would think 60" and over

5) Able to carry a reasonable pay load, say one pound.

Any suggestions, pictures, sketches welcome. Please, no Slow Stick type of airplanes.

Cheers
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Old Jan 11, 2005, 10:00 PM
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Goose, your outline sounds good to me. Perhaps a bit large but maybe it needs to be. I'll follow the thread to see if someone can actually come up with a model.

Jim
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Old Jan 11, 2005, 10:02 PM
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We've been through this, check out this thread www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259597
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Old Jan 11, 2005, 10:02 PM
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Are you looking for an ARF, Kit, or something to build from scratch?
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Old Jan 11, 2005, 11:40 PM
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Thanks guys...

Dampy-lets try a scratch built (actually it does not matter). I found that one AP plane on the internet that looks more like a glider with a twin boom and cathedral tail, it looked "interesting."

Crashagain-Thanks for the link I'll read through it.
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 01:12 AM
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Thanks guys...

Dampy-lets try a scratch built (actually it does not matter). I found that one AP plane on the internet that looks more like a glider with a twin boom and cathedral tail, it looked "interesting."

Crashagain-Thanks for the link I'll read through it.
Hey Mike,

If you're looking for ideas, this was my interpretation of the ideal AP platform:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312947

Cheers,
Adam
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 07:44 AM
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Hi Adam....that's a real interesting project you have there, I will be following it.

I've been doing some aerial video which you can see here but I want to focus more on still pictures. Video is more of a novilty but with still shots there is the possability of making some money. Although I have just rigged my 80" Flyin' King with a digital camera there are times when an electric would be more practical, hence my interest.

Oh BTW, I did not get out of gliders completely as I just bought a "Sprinter" which I suppose you would call a newbies entry into hotliners...AXI 2826/10 CC80 and Lipo battery swinging a 14x9.5

Cheers
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 07:48 AM
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Personally i like the SS, but maybe the "whattsitck" would be better..

it's big, powerful and can carry a truck..

ash
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 03:41 PM
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After flying a SS for a while I soon reached the conclusion it didn't satisfy my a/p needs because of the following:

* Camera on the bottom is just plain no good
* Looks like a toy, unprofessional
* Wing airfoil is way too draggy
* Can't handle wind
* Limited payload
* Needs lots of mods (strength reinforcements)
* Too small
* Flimsy
* Only one wing for all conditions

Sure, the SS does some things okay, but overall, it's really lame when compared to the BuzzDog, a 60 inch modified Bird Dog. Plans are free and the photos & near-VTOL performance video is posted on this forum somewhere.

Since using the BD for a/p, I've never had a desire or need to use the (CPOT) SS.
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 04:18 PM
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After flying a SS for a while I soon reached the conclusion it didn't satisfy my a/p needs because of the following:

* Camera on the bottom is just plain no good
* Looks like a toy, unprofessional
* Wing airfoil is way too draggy
* Can't handle wind
* Limited payload
* Needs lots of mods (strength reinforcements)
* Too small
* Flimsy
* Only one wing for all conditions

Sure, the SS does some things okay, but overall, it's really lame when compared to the BuzzDog, a 60 inch modified Bird Dog. Plans are free and the photos & near-VTOL performance video is posted on this forum somewhere.

Since using the BD for a/p, I've never had a desire or need to use the (CPOT) SS.
Ahhhh, thankyou Buzzdog....you mentioned all the reasons why I was not wanting a SS. I was going to call the SS more of a "toy" plane but I knew that would bring flame throwers with extreme range
mind you the heat would be welcome right now with the sub zero temperatures of Southern Alberta! I want a plane that will FLY like a plane, have control authority but be able to "float" some what like a glider (perhaps soar in the right word) handle a reasonable amount of wind and can carry a camera that is not pointing straight down!

If you have any links to the plane you were suggesting that would be great as the search feature is down right now.
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 06:17 PM
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Link to thread with one of the videos:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319661

I have lots of construction photos & free plans - this is a great, great plane - lots of camera mounting options - camera stays way off the ground and allows 0 to 90 degrees on either side - it uses three wings, each with a different amount of undercamber to handle wind, payload and desired flight characteristics.

IMO, this is the absolute, world's best a/p plane anywhere! The plans were originally posted by Thatovalguy and he gave me permission to post the plans I have which are slightly modified. The fuselage is created from a single piece of foam - you can use 3/4", 7/8" or 1" stuff. I form the wing by cutting slots, filling in slots with Probond and then setting it in a super-simple & accurate jig. Four hours later, the wing is "done" and you can join it and go flying. I use carbon fiber arrows (from WalMart) and a few old credit cards, popsicle sticks, a 3/8" square basswood stick, cable ties, et cetera for blah, blah, balh. It takes about a minute to attach or remove the wing. I hope the photos tell the story better than I'm doing.

Hope this helps - happy buildin' & flyin',

Buzz
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 06:59 PM
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Buzzman, I'm probably just blind and missed where the plans are but due to the search not working (still) I can't locate them. Can you point me in the right direction?
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Old Jan 12, 2005, 07:18 PM
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http://www.camerainthesky.com/buzzdog/

. . . then, click on the Plans link

. . . or you can go here:

http://www.camerainthesky.com/buzzdog/drawings/

Happy flyin',

Buzz
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Old Jan 13, 2005, 12:20 AM
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Here is my ideal plane

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305709

works awsome and basically does everything you described except its wingspan is 52"

Anyway you can see some pics taken with this setup on my web page gallery section

check it out:

www.skyphoto.ca
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Old Jan 13, 2005, 11:50 AM
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Here is my ideal plane

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305709

works awsome and basically does everything you described except its wingspan is 52"

Anyway you can see some pics taken with this setup on my web page gallery section

check it out:

www.skyphoto.ca
.
That shape is ideal for handling the large frontal areas of our cameras and
providing a forward view.
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