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Old Nov 01, 2004, 12:39 PM
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And who are YOU to say who is running from God and who is not?
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Old Nov 01, 2004, 12:55 PM
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Even an ignorant redneck believer such as myself can look at a race track and see which way the cars are going. To see such, one just has to look.

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Old Nov 01, 2004, 01:22 PM
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True, you could just wait for one of the four men to die of their particular ailment, good point.
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Old Nov 01, 2004, 01:50 PM
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Even an ignorant redneck believer such as myself can look at a race track and see which way the cars are going. To see such, one just has to look.LcJ
But perhaps ET's point is, how is it that you can determine that it is *not* God's plan to permit our society to move in its current fashion?

Perhaps the plan *is* to move in the direction of a self-supporting, self-directed humankind but that He wants to see how long and in what fashion it takes us to get there. Plant a few messiah's and old books around to muddle things up for a bit of fun (Keep 'em guessing, after all!) and watch and wait.

The potential answer to Life, The Universe and Everything is 42 and we humans are just an experiment in some other being's quest for knowledge. All you followers of God, Jesus and the Bible *might* be right, but then again you *might* be wrong and will suffer in hellfire for all eternity for meddling with "the plan".
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Old Nov 01, 2004, 05:08 PM
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Anyway...it all DOES boil down to Israel. Israel is not going to dissapear, but we cannot let them continue with them holding their war gains and opressing palestinians. Somethings got to give. They need to GIVE, they need to swallow their pride a bit, and give the appearance of losing, and that's just not in their charachter. The arabs are so himiliated at this point, they need a "victory" to call it quits. There has been absolutely no compirmise, the israelis want to keep their war gains, they want it all. And WE are suffering, too, because of it.
Personally, I am no big fan of the palesitnians, but they are human beings, and they have a right to a place to live. But the isrealis, shame on them. People who should know much better, pshycologists call it "ingesting the agressor", it's why you never put ex-cons in charge of prisoners.
You got one thing right. It all does boil down to Israel. (But not in the way you probably meant that statement.) Israel is NOT going to disappear. EVER!
War gains? You are no doubt aware that international law recognizes the right of a nation to hold territory gained as a result of self defense, but not the right of a nation to hold territory as a result of a war of aggression.
Israel has never attacked the nations surrounding it. However, Israel was attacked by those nations in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, and even today through the proxies of Hamas (Syria) and Hezbollah (Iran).
When Israel invaded Lebanon to drive out the the Syrian supported PLO, which was murdering Israelis in the north, it discovered HUGE caches of arms from the comunist bloc.
Israel has every right to defend herself from nation states and terrorist organizations.
Israel has repeatedly offered full citizenship to the Palestinians within her borders. THEY are the ones who refuse it. Israel doesn't like to see the Palestinians crowded into refugee camps. The surrounding Arab states, however, are delighted with it because it gives them a propaganda tool. Shame on the Arabs.
And there IS a Palestinian state. It's called "Jordan". It was created specifically to be a homeland for the Palestinians. But Jordan won't accept refugees from israel, and neither will the surrounding Arab states.
Israel HAS given things away. The West Bank and Gaza are autonomous regions, but Israel retained the right defend herself when needed. She returned the entire Sinai penisula to Egypt, when under international law she had every right to keep it, having been attacked by Egypt.
And the Arabs do feel humiliated. Any land that was once under Muslim control must forever remain under Muslim control. It is a central doctrine of Islam. The only 'victory' they will accept is the total anhilation of Israel.
And don't think they will stop there. Next, they will come after Spain and southeast Europe. Because they were dominant there once, and Islam demands they be so again.
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