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Old Oct 18, 2004, 08:27 PM
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looking for the next challenge?

I got back into slope soaring about a year ago after a 15 year hiatus! I've built and been flying a couple of combat wings during this time and am craving something with a little more "zing". Anyone have any reccomendations? I definately want more performance/speed but don't want to get in over my head. I've been looking at some of the planes from Art Hobbies and also considering the Gulp or M60?

Trying to keep it under $200.00....Any tips would be great!
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Old Oct 18, 2004, 08:46 PM
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Hmmm... M60's are great. All the Arthobby planes I have seen fly very well. Gulps are smooth, but from what I have read are a little better suited on the backside. In this case I would say it depends on your local slope- if it is smooth and crunchy friendly go Arthobby or Redback Pro. If it is rough, turbulent or rocky try the M60 or the Gulp. The M60 is faster on the front side, and has a huge following up here in Denver. Another plus for the M60 is that it needs 1 less servo and can take a pounding. Go for the ballast option!

I'm sure you will get lots of feedback. Everyone has their favorites.

Cody
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Old Oct 18, 2004, 08:48 PM
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sawtooth 60 your option Cody has details he's being a bit slack in building one though lol
sorry Cody couldnt resist it
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Old Oct 18, 2004, 08:56 PM
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my vote.... JW... fast on the frontside, the best in the backside, and super durable and super simple to build....

www.bowmanshobbies.com

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Old Oct 18, 2004, 09:49 PM
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Steve- I know I know... I should probably get off my lazy butt and just cut some formica templates! By the looks of things the CNC won't be going untill next year at the earliest!
My "interface" guy has been out of the country every week for the last two months!

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Old Oct 18, 2004, 10:05 PM
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Maybe a PSSer? They're always fun IMHO. CSD makes good glass ones, and LEG makes good EPP ones. Just a thought!

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Old Oct 18, 2004, 10:44 PM
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Another vote for the M60. I know this guy (not me ) who has hit a truck, two trees, a large rock, a weasel, and several attempts at the ground, with an M60. They bounce real well, fly even better, and allow you to attempt stuff a little over your head without fear of a total wreck. I agree, ballast is a good idea as are servos with metal gears.



All the best

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Old Oct 18, 2004, 11:26 PM
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allow you to attempt stuff a little over your head without fear of a total wreck. I agree, ballast is a good idea as are servos with metal gears.
Except maybe a concussion

Hey- do I know you??? You already know how I fly and I dont even own an M60!
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Old Oct 18, 2004, 11:50 PM
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Lots of good suggestions here. I agree with Cody, factor in your local conditions. If you want to stay with foam, I'd like to suggest the Moth. My Moth (48") seems more aerobatic than my buddy's M60 (60") when the lift is moderate. And since its lighter, I don't have to worry as much when landing hot. Mine has an 8oz wing loading unballasted and gets up to 15oz/sq-ft when the ballast tube is filled (adds 16.5ozs to the AUW). The only deal with the Moth's and M60's is they're finicky on the CG position so it takes a little experimenting to dial them in the first time. Good price and cheap to run, only needs two HS-85MG's. Heres a good build thread with photos for Moth/M60:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=1

I like Steve's suggestion for a PSS'er too. In fact, I just ordered an Airacobra from CSD. There are lots of build threads to reference, here are two:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ight=csd+cobra

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234089

I've seen Surfimp fly his and they are a blast when the lift is up.


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Old Oct 19, 2004, 09:33 AM
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The PSS stuff is great for "Hey, that sure looks cool!" and the zippy EPP stuff is great for "Hey, I'm sure glad that wasn't one of my nice PSS planes" after watching your EPP plane tumble across the hill after some dorked landing or something and then walking over and launching the plane for more fun...

You really need some of both!

In the meantime, have fun choosing!

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Old Oct 19, 2004, 01:52 PM
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Thanks for all the feedback! I'm leaning towards the M60 but I've heard the build can be kind of a hassle? Is the fuse pre-shaped or is there tons of sanding involved? I've seen them fly and the performance is amazing.
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Old Oct 19, 2004, 02:24 PM
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Get used to sanding anyway--- you'll need it to build anything in the future if you really want cool planes and top performance. IMHO

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Old Oct 19, 2004, 02:37 PM
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Compared to a lot of things, an M60 build is a cakewalk (but I didn't have the patience to do the thinned goop thing on mine).

I don't have a Gulp, but I do have an M60 (duh), a 48" Moth, a CSD P-39, a LEG Me109, an Art Hobby Sierra and a Boar. I love them all for different reasons. The Sierra and the boar will fly in just about all conditions, but they break, you know? The CSD and the LEG tend to be high energy planes (like all PSS as far as I know) and you've gotta actively fly them, if you know what I mean. The Moth 48 just flies great all the time. I don't have a ballast tube in it, so it's a little goofy in heavy air, but not too bad. The M60...pretty much does it all, especially with a ballast tube. It might be my main go-to plane. Setup can be finicky, but indescribably rewarding. In short, get all of the planes, but maybe the M60 first.
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Old Oct 19, 2004, 02:40 PM
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Get used to sanding anyway--- you'll need it to build anything in the future if you really want cool planes and top performance. IMHO

Tim
Yep, Tim is right, you gotta do some sanding if you're gonna build. For me, it's like laundry. I whine and complain, but once I just shut up and get started, it's no big deal. Just don't be in a rush, take your time and let the dust clouds fly...

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Old Oct 19, 2004, 02:55 PM
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Looks like I'll be putting my order in to NCFM and picking up some sandpaper on the way home!
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