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Old Aug 27, 2004, 12:11 PM
Bill Swingle
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"I ain't got it" procedure. (I can't see it.)

We should all have a chosen "I ain't got it" procedure. Don't leave the
choosing until you loose sight of it.

However the specific procedure should be chosen based on the plane's
behavior. Try all methods you can think of. Select the one that has minimal
decent, straightest decent, max flash, whatever you think is best.

The Skip Miller procedure is pretty good. Personally, I prefer the Tim Cone
"Stick in a Lower Corner" method. Depends on whether the plane has flaps or
not. Try as many as you can think of and see which you prefer.

Bill Swingle


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Old Aug 27, 2004, 02:11 PM
Joe Rodriguez
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Re: "I ain't got it" procedure. (I can't see it.)

During a fall fest at Visalia a few years ago on a Friday when everybody was out making practice flights. Tom Hoops was flying in a gaggle of 15 or so sailplanes, the infamous Art Markowitz was flying next to us and he and Tom were flying the same make of sailplane. You can start to guess what was going to happen next, about 10 min into Toms flight Tom starts to notice his plane is flying funny, he has it!! he doesn't have!!!. Well at this time Art figures it out that Tom is flying his plane!!! and says to himself let the fun begin.
Art does a speed run straight down about half way down he pulls a loop, and Tom is yelling out I don't have and also yelling out his frequency at the top of his lungs. Art then dives the plane straight at Tom and does a slow roll about 20 feet of the ground all while Tom is yelling at the top of his lungs. Art then lands his plane and Tom realizes that he was flying the wrong plane. Stan Sadorf tap Tom on his shoulder and told him a plane went in about 5 min ago about two hundred yards out, we were all laughing at Toms expense but the story does not end there.
If you know Tom as long as I have you come to realize he has a gift or someone is watching over him. His glider was found with out a scratch and he promptly re-launched with no problems. This is not the first time he was so lucky I can recall several incidents, did I say several?
My personal theory is that his gliders wore the "Cloak of Joseph" and this is better than any electronic device any mortal can devise. This is based on his Morman belief and this power cannot be passed on to non believers. Fortunately for the rest of us the "Cloak of Joseph" cannot find thermals. I'm sure Tom will be out at Visalia this year and I am sure his gliders will have the Cloak.

I for one am still looking for the image of God in a tortilla or when I mix up some expoxy, this is my story and I'm sticking to it.
joe
Old Aug 27, 2004, 06:11 PM
Barrett Stridiron
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RE: "I ain't got it" procedure. (I can't see it.)

Had a similar incident a couple of weeks back. One of my mates and I were
sloping a pair of borrowed Combat Wings foamies - I was flying an XL, he was
flying an XR. We were flying around, making passes, engaging in some mild
combat... just having fun.

The (borrowed) radio I was using - a Fut 9C - started beeping. Seemed like
it was once every 20 seconds or so. I glanced at the screen, concerned that
the battery was low. That didn't seem to be the case. Perhaps its some
type of countdown timer?

I pulled the XL into a stationary hover a couple hundred feet out & up, held
the tx up at eye level (next to the sailplane), and started trying to figure
out the source of the beeping.

My mate pulled his XR into a hover nearby the XL and held it there.

I was keeping one eye on the XL, keeping it steady in place while studying
the radio.

"Let's see. The timer is running, but its not counting down. I wonder if
its on a switch or button?"
(glance at sailplane - still in place)

*snap* *snap* *snap* *snap* *beep* *beep* *beep* "no, that doesn't seem to
be the case."
(glance at sailplane - still in place)

*beepbeep* "ah it beeped again. Maybe it's set to beep every minute or
so?"
(glance at sailplane - still there!)

(watching timer. 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, .... 48, 49, )

*WHOOOSH*
*THUD*

Not ten feet away, a flying wing blasted in front the spot we were standing,
smacked the hillside and bounced into the ditch. Estimated speed: 60 MPH.

(glance at sailplane - still there!)
"Damn, Jens. Not so low. Are you trying to kill that thing?"
"Dude - that's *your* plane."

He was right. At some point while I was watching the radio the XL drifted
off to the right and out of my line of sight... Jens was holding the XR
steady nearby, so I never noticed the difference. The plane flew a wide,
descending 270-degree circle, then crashed > ten feet front of us. Amazing.
If it had gone in anywhere else on that hill there is -no chance- that it
would have been recoverable (no lost model alarm!)

The kicker - despite its full-speed dive into the hillside the plane was
completely unscathed! I flew it again later that day, after my nerves
settled some.

To this day we swear that Herb (the plane's owner) has some sort of
transmitter homing device installed in that thing...


-==- Barrett

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....

His glider was found with out a scratch and he promptly re-launched with no
problems. This is not the first time he was so lucky I can recall several
incidents, did I say several?

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Old Aug 28, 2004, 02:11 AM
Tom Hoopes
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"I ain't got it, I can't see" - How we found it

Hi All,

Joe Rodriguez's recount of my stupidity on practice day at Visalia was
pretty close to fact, although the outcome was dumb luck, no divine force ;-)

My second stroke of great luck and perhaps further bewilderment of Joe
Rodriguez occurred a year later at the US F3J team selections held on Long
Island, NY in 1999. I was flying in a late round of the day. Jim
McCarthy's brother and Larry Jolly's son gave me a great launch and Ben
Clerx was calling and timing for me. The haze was unbelievable with
humidity in the high 90's and the temperature in the low 100's. What little
lift I was in, was drifting aimlessly away from me. I was desperately
struggling to see the plane and the haze wasn't helping.

I told Ben that I was going to bail out and head upwind to bring the plane
closer and hope that I might snag some better lift on the way. No sooner
had I made the final turn and the plane disappeared. I tried to remain calm
and told Ben that I couldn't see my plane. Ben Clerx, whose body does not
produce adrenaline and never gets excited serenely said, "I don't see it
either". I gave it a little roll input to the left, then to the right.
Nothing. Then I gave it some up and down pitch, still nothing. We stood and
carefully scanned the horizon. It was gone. My new Hera disappeared in some
of the nastiest forest that I've seen.

A few people down the flight line, going toward the trees said that they
had seen the plane go down in the forest. I followed their directions and
entered the trees. The ticks, stickers, vegetation and trees where beyond
belief, especially for someone from Utah. I mucked around for quite awhile
and concluded that my plane was gone.

I returned to our launch station and heard the familiar voice of Don
Vickers, who asked me when I was going to fly. Don and his wife Betty had
traveled to New York from Tennessee to watch the event. I told Don that I
had just lost my plane in the forest. He said, "Was that yours?". I asked
him if he could point where he last saw it. Just then, two guys walked up
and introduced themselves as Phil Barnes and Gabe Baltaian and they would
help me look for my plane.

We got Don to again point where he last saw my plane. Phil said that we
would bushwack straight along Don's heading. When I had assembled my Hera,
I had installed a Schulze Blinki and programmed my Stylus so that I could
toggle the beeper on and off with a flip of the switch. We trudged for
quite awhile when I thought that I heard the beep of the Blinki. I turned
it on then off several times to make sure that we all heard it. We made
slight direction changes until we were sure that we were actually
approaching the sound. Finally, we came through the trees to a very small
clearing. My Hera was sitting on a huge bush, flaps down, without a single
mark on the plane.

I couldn't see how the plane could have landed without hitting any trees.
We pulled the wing tips to help get through the thick vegetation. I thanked
Phil and Gabe for their help and considered that I dodged a
bullet. Minutes later, I was called to fly in a new round and thankfully
the air was much nicer.

A couple of critical things happened that helped to find my plane. We were
able to narrow the search area with several witness points of view,
especially Don Vicker's vantage point. Extra eyes and ears made the search
more thorough and Blinki's beep was invaluable.

A couple of things worked out right that time.......


Tom Hoopes - (oakley@xmission.com)

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