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Old Sep 07, 2007, 10:31 AM
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Slick-I played with the RBs and .04 elastic line. The RBs are much more extensible and a lot weaker than the elastic. The RBs would stretch 3 or 4 times their initial length, the line prehaps 1/4. Putting 4 RBs together started to feel like the pull of the line, but still softer. Kind of like comparing the suspension of a Buick to a Ferrari. You would just have to play with it and see what happens.

Dan- interesting observations.
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Old Sep 07, 2007, 10:42 AM
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Dan...

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...how are your jibs attached and sheeted? Do you have the rubbers too? If so… how critical is your jib in tacking…and have your tried removing the rubber bands to see if it affects performance?

Capt. Slick

What about the above? The brig has just one jib right? Since the PDN has three times that it is possible the performance out of them is a good deal more crucial.

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Old Sep 07, 2007, 11:02 AM
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I have two jibs - added an additional one per the Petrejus book for appearance.
My jibs are always way too loose as now rigged, but I can still tack just fine. Can also run straight as an arrow at a wide range of points into the wind. Go figure...
I have a way now I think that I can have two jibs with controlled crossover and controlled tension. If it doesn't work, I'll go back to one possibly bigger jib.

All jib connects are solid - no RB's. Sheet tension currently so sloppy it doesn't matter.
Note - on the driver, I bring the sheet thru an eye at the end of the boom and hook it to a quadrupled elastic line that is cleated alongside the boom. It's there more as a heavy duty shock absorber to help minimize breakage or servo damage if the boom is bumped vs being there for sail tension.
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Old Sep 07, 2007, 11:40 AM
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Note - on the driver, I bring the sheet thru an eye at the end of the boom and hook it to a quadrupled elastic line that is cleated alongside the boom. It's there more as a heavy duty shock absorber to help minimize breakage or servo damage if the boom is bumped vs being there for sail tension.
My driver boom and sail is huge and it is connected without any rubber shock support. It takes a pretty good beating on some of the tacks, most noteably the ones that go from running to reaching when I don't tighten first. I have had no failures...yet

As for the brig running down wind, square masted ships are known for their ability to do that and are much better at it than other types.

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Old Sep 07, 2007, 02:56 PM
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The captain of the "Lawson," the 7 masted schooner, took her to sea. The runs in light air scared the fish oil out of the crew and captain. When the ship rolled, the huge booms would try to come inboard. Even with preventer gear, they were hard to control. If one boom did manage to gybe, it would have likely taken the mast out as it fetched up on the other side. Many of the crew jumped ship at the first port. I'm not even sure if the captain completed the voyage. So, square-rigged ships were safer at sea, in some conditions, than large schooners.

One of the things that struck me as I sailed across the Atlantic on the HMBark Endeavour was how isolated seamen were prior to radios. If something went wrong, you were absolutely on your own (of course that is true today, but at least you might have gotten off a radio or ELB signal to let some passing airliner know someone has a problem). For this reason sea hazards were, in some respects, more of a consideration back then, I think.
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Old Sep 08, 2007, 12:26 PM
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prince

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hello

my name is gerald and i live in germany.
i have bought the prince de neufchatel with the hull number 10.
i will test-sail in few weeks.

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Old Sep 08, 2007, 01:29 PM
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Hey, Gerald! Nice to hear from you! There are a few of us building and running SC&H ships, and are getting alot of information from each other on this website about building and sailing these wonderful ships. I am sure you are enjoying your build, and it gets even better when you have a bunch of interested friends on this site to correspond with. Robert (Hoghappy) is an experienced and enthusiastic Prince skipper that is fun to talk to. Have you seen the other SC&H ship build site: Square Rigger kit-18 Gun Brig-of-war of 1797

Happy Sailing! Don
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Old Sep 09, 2007, 07:07 AM
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hello don

thank you !
yes i have see this site too. it is very good.

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Old Sep 09, 2007, 10:11 AM
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Good to have you with us Gerald. Hope you find some help here, and look forward to your posts too.
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Hey Gerald...

...welcome. I'm glad to finally see another PDN builder/sailor.

Please feel free to ask me anything I will help or confuse you any way I can.

Please do post pictures and tell about your build-up experiences and variations from the plans.

Again...welcome!

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Old Sep 10, 2007, 01:06 PM
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hello

thank you for welcome me, and for the help in my prince projekt.

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Old Sep 11, 2007, 07:46 AM
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Gerald,

I almost went with that same color scheme but decided that I wanted my gun ports open and that they would show up better if they were on the light color hull. Your ship looks like it is getting very close to her maiden voyage. Please get us some pictures of her when she goes to sea. If I can help with anything let me know.

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Old Sep 11, 2007, 09:43 AM
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hello Capt. Slick

ok, i will send pictures when she goes to sea. i will sail in the next few weeks and when the cold season comes so i make the detail work.

i impatiently and will first-sail so fast i can !

your color scheme is very good and the gunports open looks better, but with close ports i have more desistance to the water.

my scheme is a homage to the real clipper schooner "pride of baltimore" and in the winter i will paint the water-hull green.

how was the real prince painting ?

(please excuse my bad english!)

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Old Sep 11, 2007, 11:50 AM
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Your English is fine...better than a lot of the people who live here!

Yes…I was in a hurry to get my ship in the water too. I took a lot of short cuts and still have a lot of things to finish and/or redo. Your ship will be more sea worthy and not take on as much water as mine, if any…but the scuppers do there jobs well as I had no water below deck even though the deck was awash. As to the actual color of the Prince…I am not sure. Perhaps it is as I painted mine (per the model instructions), but I am more inclined to believe it would be closer to the color you have yours. I attached one artist’s rendition. I don’t know that the paint would be available to paint her the way I have mine at that time in a war. I’m sure if it was available, it was expensive to use. I would think they would use a tar or oil for the main part of the hull and maybe a stripe as in the painting.

Philip is the expert in all this, and I am sure he researched a great deal before he set out to model these ships. Perhaps he will read this and share some more of his wisdom with us?

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Old Sep 11, 2007, 01:12 PM
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hello Capt. Slick

i think so too.
this artwork your send is great ! of the pic, the hull is almost black. and i think your theory is right.

but me pleased your color scheme very good and i watch your prince homepage long before i bought my model.
i deliberated long paint the modell as you.

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