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Old Aug 07, 2004, 09:35 AM
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gws war birds vs alpha war birds?

After flying 3 gws war birds, p-51, corsair, and spitfire, and only 1 alpha war bird the new p-51, I won't buy anouthe gws! The gws fly well excerpt for the spit, and the corsair flys great but the alpha p-51 rocks. Not for newbies but very stable, slows well, lands easy, and is very aerobatic. No bad tendicies at all. I'm thinking of anouther with rudder and landing gear. Have other e-zoners had similiar findings? Next time I'll tell you about the carl goldburg new 400 on floats with brushless power.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 11:51 AM
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i'am just starting to fly the gws p-51 and it tip stalls real bad,did you notice any bad habbits with the alfa cause thats my next one.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 02:26 PM
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i'am just starting to fly the gws p-51 and it tip stalls real bad,did you notice any bad habbits with the alfa cause thats my next one.
Make sure you have your control throws and cg per instructions... P-51 tip stall usually comes from too much elevator and too much AOA for the speed.

The GWS mustang (I've had two) is my current favorite flyer, even though a pig at 19oz.

Alfas are a whole class up (and FSK a class up from that), but you still gotta build them, set them up and fly them right....

My 'plane from hell' was the GWS zero.. never did get that one to fly right before it got all busted up. Now that I have more experience, I might try another though...
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 02:36 PM
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The GWS warbirds are the Top of their Class. No ifs, ands or buts!

The Alfas are in a different class all together. Best made parkflyer warbirds at any price (In my opinion, of course).
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 03:09 PM
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i was looking into the alfa warbirds but they are spendy! what are they amde of and why are they so spendy? do thy come with more than just the plane?
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 03:42 PM
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Alfa's are beautiful birds alright, keep in mind that they are not as tolerant of abuse as the GWS planes. But as planes made to fly and not to crash there is no comparison.

Most of the extra cost is for the preassembly and nice paint job, you basically take it out of the box, install the radio gear and fly it.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 04:35 PM
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I agreed with sarge. They are in two different classes.
But I will lost a bit of confident flying Alfa. Why? they
are so pretty and I just do not want to even make
them dirty
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 05:26 PM
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the alpha's may be more money but if it flies instead of crashes it may be less in the long range. the alpha i have has the recommended hobby lobby brushless set up, i launch at 65% power and have the duel rates set at 50% and 75%. the plane climbs at 50 degrees with little control input until power is reduced,flights are 15-20 minutes with a 2 cell 1900 lipo. landings are a breese, slow no hint of a tip stall, every flight a sucess so far (20 or so). the gws 51 needs to be landed at 75% throttle to avoin the tip stall. i look forward to my next alpha and my next gws will not be their war bird









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Old Aug 07, 2004, 05:32 PM
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what are dual rates? I have a digital radio but dont know what all those things do
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 06:23 PM
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The main thing with the gws warbirs is that they are designed for low speed , nicads and stock power..and its a kit that you have to put together with its many chances to mess up alignment, thrust lines etc... but if you are an experienced builder then you should not have problems.. yes I'm sure a $120 alpha will beat a $30 gws sloper

Also note that the gws kits (except the corsair?) have undercambered wings, this is suitable for light airplanes, but not so good for heavy and brushless setups.. you really are better of with a simmetrical airfoil if you want speed.. undercambered airfoils will pitch up and down as you change power settings.

All that being said, I really love my 13.5 auw GWS me109 with 3s tanics and himax motor.. its a sleek fast plane with no bad habits whatsoever.. lands a slow pace and no tipstall at all.. and its glassed/painted, much tougher than any alpha

Please tell me about the golberg 400!

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After flying 3 gws war birds, p-51, corsair, and spitfire, and only 1 alpha war bird the new p-51, I won't buy anouthe gws! Next time I'll tell you about the carl goldburg new 400 on floats with brushless power.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 06:38 PM
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Ah my favorite debate GWS planes. Firstoff I don't think any of the GWS birds I've seen had undercamber airfoils. My Mustang is semi-symetrical and flies inverted with ease. Second, as someone said, there must be alot of varying pilot and building skills that effect the situation with the GWS birds and thier notorarity. I fly the "notorious tip stalling GWS Mustang" that lands soo slow, with the power off, that I could almost catch it. I could probably enter it in a spot landing competiton with ease. I have damaged it a couple times but that was El Stipido Pilot's fault - not airplane. I've never seen an Alpha plane up close...yet. Can't knock em till I see em I guess. However for under $90 it's pretty hard to beat a tough little GWS for a parkflying warbird replica anyway.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 06:53 PM
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GWS does, indeed make fine models. In fact, I think they are, in large measure, responsible for elevating the quality of ALL the brands offerings. Most of my GWS warbirds flew respectably well as built. Nice, docile, predictable, relaxing.

The difference that Alfas bring (admitably at considerable expense) is not in the extrodinary good looks. It is how much better they fly under all conditions. They fly better slow, fast, upside-down, and sideways than ANY other parkflyer warbird.

They are more difficult to repair than GWS birds. They are NOT (contrary to popular belief) more fragile. In fact, they are considerably LESS likely to be damaged while flying.

If all this is worth the 300% mark-up in price from GWS, then get an Alfa and enjoy the best made warbirds around.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 07:30 PM
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In RC&M magazine there was an article on the gws tip stall tendences that were reckoned to be caused by those grooves on the wings which could easily be cured by covering with that clear book backing film if you have already painted your model or could fill with spackle at the start of your build. the P-51 was after all smoothed skined anway. I think the designer got well carried away with those deep panel lines. As for my p-51 I've had no problems with the tip stall but would like to put in a more powerful plant at some stage. as for the Alfas I do like the look of there product, certainly more actractive to the eye.

Mark.
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 07:48 PM
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I think is really easier to make a plane and require people to buy brushless w/ lipo gear. On the other hand it is more difficult to make and sell a plane that runs on cheap motors, batteries and electronics. I was looking at the Hobby Lobby page and saw a few of the videos and thought WOW these planes are awesome, then I saw the $300 of stuff that you would have to buy......

I don't think you can compare these. It is like comparing a ferrari to a Neon Turbo. Both are good for their class. I guess you could compare having ONE Alpha plane to THREE GWS planes....
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Old Aug 07, 2004, 09:01 PM
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look again, put a straight edge on the bottom of the airfoil.. actually I dont have a p51 kit but all the other ones do.. and you are right about the p51, not a difficult flyer at all.

Herm

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Firstoff I don't think any of the GWS birds I've seen had undercamber airfoils. My Mustang is semi-symetrical and flies inverted with ease.
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