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Old Aug 03, 2004, 07:58 PM
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Newbie First Flight... Not so good...

Well, put the finishing touches on my E-starter last week.
Headed to the lake to try 'er out this weekend.
After two days of wind, finally Sunday night calmed down
enough to where I felt comfortable to give 'er a try...

Flt #1: Hand launched the plane... and immediately had a
great deal of trouble controlling it... but managed to get it
to the ground safely. Chalked it up to nerves, and decided to give it another whirl.

Flt#2: Again hand launched, and it didn't seem to be responding to the controls...
Little rougher landing this time and broke of the landing gear.
At this point I'm thinking it's nerves and maybe a little too breezy...
back to the cabin to do some glueing...

Monday morning... beautiful calm morning...

Flt #3: Hand launched again, and started veering to the right,
and again didn’t seem to be responding to input???
In my attempts to correct, I think I might have over
controlled and ended up putting it into a stall, with disastrous results…

Maybe I'll put the video on my website
and somebody could 'analyze' it...

Anyways... I have some repairing to do,
then I want to find a nice field to try some ROG take offs,
and see if I can't get this thing in the air for more than 5 seconds....

See images below
Warren M
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:24 PM
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Simple repairs, Warren! A little glue and she'll be as good as new.

My first crash with my first foamy rendered it to a granular state.

Do yourself a favor and let an experienced pilot give it a look-over and test flight. Have him trim it out while he's at it. A trimmed plane can make all the difference in the world, especially for someone who's just trying to learn the sticks.

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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:24 PM
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Many questions and a few answers.
Is this your first plane? Do you have any experience? Are you sure the controls are correct? Was it crazy into the ground or slo mo? What batteries? What motor? what prop? Where was the CG?

I can not tell for sure, but it looks like the prop is on backwards. The lettering will face out.


The tail braekage is normal on this plane. Try embedding some carbon fiber rods in the tail for support. The wing is harder to break, indicating a hard crash.

More details equals more help.

PS: welcome to the best place to get answers!!
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:26 PM
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No Worrys

AHH!!!! sorry to hear that you crashed. This happens to everyone.... Maybe you don't have the plane trimmed out yet and it wants to naturally turn. use the trim tabs on your radio to fix this problem. Make sure that when you fly, try to get up as high as possible so that way you have room for error. REMEMBER: THE GROUND IS YOUR ENEMY!!! lol I learned that one the hard way!!!

If you get your trim tabs set the way they should be, it should be easy flying from there. (You will know when the tabs are perfect, when your plane flies dead level and straight when you don't touch the controll stick) Once this is achieved you will love your plane!

HAPPY FLYING!!!!
Just send me a private message if you need more help.

Justin
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:27 PM
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Also rudder appear cocked to the right in pic?
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:29 PM
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Also rudder appear cocked to the right in pic?
it probably happened after the crash.
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 08:41 PM
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maybe true, just something to look at!
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 10:00 PM
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Hey Jamin, and all.

Thanks for all the info!

My gear details:
-GWS E-Starter
-GWS ICS 300E ESC
-8.4v 730mAh Ni-Mh
-Older Airtronics 6 channel transmitter...

It's my first plane in quite some time...
I originally learned and spent a couple years with a
Kadet LT 40. Due to many circumstances... that was
about 8 yrs ago... Fast forward 8yrs, and I wanted to
get back into the sport and the electrics seemed to be
the easy, 'less fuss' way to do that...

I'm 99.9% sure the controls were correct. I will double
check it though later.
The prop does have the lettering out.
I balanced the model based on the CG was points
on the wing.

As for the crashes themselves... I would class them
as 'slow mo'... maybe 'medium mo' I wouldn't call
it 'crazy' into the ground...

As for the rudder, yes, the controls are still connected
in the pic I posted so the rudder appears cocked...

My intent was to get some elevation, so I could work
on getting it trimmed out. However... as stated in
earlier post, I couldn't seem to get enough control to
get much elevation.

Off to the garage to do some gluing.
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Old Aug 03, 2004, 10:21 PM
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Sounds like it could have been climbing too steep and stalling. Too slow a speed will cause the control to seem not to work. If it was climbing real steep trim the elevator just a little down and try it. Like p51flyer said, proper trim is everyting.
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Old Aug 04, 2004, 10:12 AM
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Hey Jamin, and all.

Thanks for all the info!

My gear details:
-GWS E-Starter
-GWS ICS 300E ESC
-8.4v 730mAh Ni-Mh
-Older Airtronics 6 channel transmitter...

Warren M
Warren,
If you are using a GWS flight pack, I'm almost positive that the older Airtronics transmitters are not to be used with them. They mention that as a "caveat" at the GWS site.

Good Luck,
Jim
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Old Aug 04, 2004, 10:21 AM
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Your first flight lasted longer then mine. I was tail heavy, climbed right off the bat, stalled and did a nose dive. Busted my gearbox.

Did you do a range test before take off. Maby the radio was glitching on you so you had no control.
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Old Aug 04, 2004, 10:57 AM
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Warren,
If you are using a GWS flight pack, I'm almost positive that the older Airtronics transmitters are not to be used with them. They mention that as a "caveat" at the GWS site.
Good point.

GWS receivers are 'narrow band' receivers. Some older Airtronics Transmitters were 'wide band' and the two aren't compatible.

Also, GWS makes both negative-shift and positive receivers but they call them "For Futaba" or "For JR". The receivers you want to use with an Airtronics transmitter are the "For JR" type.

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Old Aug 04, 2004, 11:29 AM
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Additional thoughts:
1. dont use the screw to hold the wing on. Now you know why... Use the bamboo rods through the fuse and rubberband it on.
2. Check the control throws to make sure they are going far enough but not too far. From the looks of your pushrod-to-servo connections, id bet they arent far enough.
3. Dont climb too hard. Take off with a medium-hard toss and fly level/slight climb until it gets up to speed.
4. are you turning with rudder or aileron? rudder-only turns are possible but not as graceful...they feel a bit funny to me. dunno how to explain it.
5. 300 or 400 motor? if its a 400, the 8.4v battery may not be enough. They like more voltage!

Side note: i just started flying with a 2000 mah lipo the other day. Twice the capacity, (almost 3 times if your using a 730mah) NO voltage sag at full-throttle, and 2oz weight savings. The plane flys like a dream. Keep that in mind - Christmas is coming!
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Old Aug 04, 2004, 12:32 PM
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Hmmm.... interesting!!!

constantcrash, you wouldn't happen to have a URL for the GWS site where it mentions this would you?

I'll need to check it later, but I'm pretty sure I was sold the 'JR' type reciever...

Well, have some research to do...

Thanks for all the info gang!

Warren
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Old Aug 04, 2004, 02:24 PM
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Hmmm.... interesting!!!

constantcrash, you wouldn't happen to have a URL for the GWS site where it mentions this would you?

I'll need to check it later, but I'm pretty sure I was sold the 'JR' type reciever...

Well, have some research to do...

Thanks for all the info gang!

Warren
Warren,
Go to the following web-site, left click on "FAQ" at the top of the page, scroll down to "A4". This is Answer #4 to the fourth question asked.

http://www.gws.com.tw/english/english.htm

You might enjoy reading a number of the questions since they also deal with older Airtronics servos, etc.

Good Luck,
Jim
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