Humming Bird Newbie Help

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 05, 2004, 11:27 PM

Hello guys; just got a used hummer, the cp type, looks in good shape, has gws servos, pha-01 3 in 1, stock motor(main snd tail), and a 6 channel micro receiver by gws. The problem is the following, I'm using a jr 662, I've turned on the 120 ccpm and everytime I push the elevator the motor speeds up, and the contrary when y pull the elevator up, all servos are moving on the same direction on the collective, but i can't get the bird flying, can some one help please.
Thanks
Dennis

OzzieFlyer · Jul 06, 2004, 12:56 AM

i'm confused

why would you have a pha01 3 in 1, with a CP heli...can you even do that ? I thought the pha01 was only for FP.

Sure it's not a fixed pitch heli ?

mobuis · Jul 06, 2004, 12:59 AM

I had the same problem with controlling it. Remove the things that plug into the receiver and plug them into different slots till it corresponds correctly to the actions of the transmitter.

OzzieFlyer · Jul 06, 2004, 01:07 AM

now that you mention it, on a JR receiver and transmitter, it goes like this

Channel 1, throttle
Channel 2, aileron
Channel 3, elevator
Channel 4, rudder.

Give that a try

I don't know if it will be any different for a GWS rx, but on my Feigao, JR and schulze rx's, they all use this setup

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 06, 2004, 04:14 PM

Can You Even Use The Pha-01 On A Collective Pitch Heli????

OzzieFlyer · Jul 06, 2004, 04:24 PM

i'm new to CP's, but my understanding was NO. If you're flying a CP, you need a heli radio with pitch and throttle curves (and revo mixing). So you would use revo mixing instead of using an on-board mixer. You would also need 2 seperate ESC's and a Gyro.

I've been thinking whether or not you can or can't use one...but don't know for sure, but I would say that even if you could, you wouldn't want to use pha01 on a CP heli.

Your best bet is to buy a heading hold gyro and 2 esc's....so you're up for some dollars

What radio is it ? It sounds like it is a heli radio as you mention changing the ccpm settings.

Vince Herman · Jul 06, 2004, 04:30 PM

I could be wrong (I often am). Also know that I do not have a CP bird. But, I think that you CAN fly a CP machine with a simple on-board mixer. If the throttle and pitch are ties together, it can even be done on a 4 channel dumb transmitter.
Now, I think that it would be better to have a more capable transmitter, but I think it can be done.

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 06, 2004, 08:31 PM

I Have A New 7 Ch Futaba And The Older But Still In Good Condition Jr 662, Both Support Helis, I Also Have A 2015 4100 Phoenix 10 And Gws Ics 50, The Only Thing Is That The Gyro I Have Is Non Heading Hold Is A Pz200 Or Something Like That...... Should I Go That Way????

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 06, 2004, 08:32 PM

I Wanted To Keep The Heli As Stock As Possible, But It Looks Like It Can't Be Done

OzzieFlyer · Jul 07, 2004, 09:24 AM

that should work as you can do revo mixing on your transmitter.

how many servos does the heli need ? 3 ?

how many channels does your rx have ?

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 07, 2004, 09:46 AM

Guys It Finally Worked, Reconnected Everything To My Futaba Rx And Got It To Fly....... How Easy It Was With Futaba........ After Hours Trying With Jr........ Sorry Jr, But I'm Gonna Sell All My Jr Stuff.......... Never Again.
Thanks Guys For You Help

dankers · Jul 07, 2004, 10:49 AM

Ozzie, its your TX that sends the channels in that order. Futaba sends:

1. Aleron
2. Elevator
3. Throttle
4. Rudder

So if I switched to your frequncy - I couldn't fly your heli on my TX without a rewire of your heli

OzzieFlyer · Jul 07, 2004, 03:46 PM

thanks dave...i "thought" it was my tx, but was'nt sure if the rx played a part as well. I've read that for most other tx's channel 3 is throttle.

dumberthumbs...can you explain what the difference was ? I'm sure it was a setup issue rather than a "JR" issue. There are lots of happy pilots flying with JR gear

DUMBERTHUMBS · Jul 07, 2004, 05:27 PM

For Some Reason When I Created The Model On The Jr Radio A Mix Was Brought In With Out Me Knowing About It, (good Thing It Was Just Serviced By Horizon), Otherwise I Tried Everything On The Darn Radio... Reseted It Severaltimes Too..... But With The Futaba, Y Just Plugged Everything And Selected Hr3 Ccpm120 And Presto! That Was Itonly Adjusted The Travels And That Was It. But I Do Accept, That Now A Days A Lot Of People Can Never Or Don't Need A Computer Radios Full Functions.

Jul 05, 2004, 11:27 PM	#1
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	Humming Bird Newbie Help Hello guys; just got a used hummer, the cp type, looks in good shape, has gws servos, pha-01 3 in 1, stock motor(main snd tail), and a 6 channel micro receiver by gws. The problem is the following, I'm using a jr 662, I've turned on the 120 ccpm and everytime I push the elevator the motor speeds up, and the contrary when y pull the elevator up, all servos are moving on the same direction on the collective, but i can't get the bird flying, can some one help please. Thanks Dennis

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Jul 06, 2004, 12:56 AM	#2
OzzieFlyer Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 5,260	i'm confused why would you have a pha01 3 in 1, with a CP heli...can you even do that ? I thought the pha01 was only for FP. Sure it's not a fixed pitch heli ?

Jul 06, 2004, 12:59 AM	#3
mobuis NOOOOB Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 99	I had the same problem with controlling it. Remove the things that plug into the receiver and plug them into different slots till it corresponds correctly to the actions of the transmitter.

Jul 06, 2004, 01:07 AM	#4
OzzieFlyer Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 5,260	now that you mention it, on a JR receiver and transmitter, it goes like this Channel 1, throttle Channel 2, aileron Channel 3, elevator Channel 4, rudder. Give that a try I don't know if it will be any different for a GWS rx, but on my Feigao, JR and schulze rx's, they all use this setup

Jul 06, 2004, 04:14 PM	#5
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	Can You Even Use The Pha-01 On A Collective Pitch Heli????

Jul 06, 2004, 04:24 PM	#6
OzzieFlyer Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 5,260	i'm new to CP's, but my understanding was NO. If you're flying a CP, you need a heli radio with pitch and throttle curves (and revo mixing). So you would use revo mixing instead of using an on-board mixer. You would also need 2 seperate ESC's and a Gyro. I've been thinking whether or not you can or can't use one...but don't know for sure, but I would say that even if you could, you wouldn't want to use pha01 on a CP heli. Your best bet is to buy a heading hold gyro and 2 esc's....so you're up for some dollars What radio is it ? It sounds like it is a heli radio as you mention changing the ccpm settings.

Jul 06, 2004, 04:30 PM	#7
Vince Herman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wadsworth, Ohio USA Posts: 2,320	I could be wrong (I often am). Also know that I do not have a CP bird. But, I think that you CAN fly a CP machine with a simple on-board mixer. If the throttle and pitch are ties together, it can even be done on a 4 channel dumb transmitter. Now, I think that it would be better to have a more capable transmitter, but I think it can be done.

Jul 06, 2004, 08:31 PM	#8
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	I Have A New 7 Ch Futaba And The Older But Still In Good Condition Jr 662, Both Support Helis, I Also Have A 2015 4100 Phoenix 10 And Gws Ics 50, The Only Thing Is That The Gyro I Have Is Non Heading Hold Is A Pz200 Or Something Like That...... Should I Go That Way????

Jul 06, 2004, 08:32 PM	#9
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	I Wanted To Keep The Heli As Stock As Possible, But It Looks Like It Can't Be Done

Jul 07, 2004, 09:24 AM	#10
OzzieFlyer Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 5,260	that should work as you can do revo mixing on your transmitter. how many servos does the heli need ? 3 ? how many channels does your rx have ?

Jul 07, 2004, 09:46 AM	#11
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	Guys It Finally Worked, Reconnected Everything To My Futaba Rx And Got It To Fly....... How Easy It Was With Futaba........ After Hours Trying With Jr........ Sorry Jr, But I'm Gonna Sell All My Jr Stuff.......... Never Again. Thanks Guys For You Help

Jul 07, 2004, 10:49 AM	#12
dankers PP BBQ Chef Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,514	Ozzie, its your TX that sends the channels in that order. Futaba sends: 1. Aleron 2. Elevator 3. Throttle 4. Rudder So if I switched to your frequncy - I couldn't fly your heli on my TX without a rewire of your heli

Jul 07, 2004, 03:46 PM	#13
OzzieFlyer Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 5,260	thanks dave...i "thought" it was my tx, but was'nt sure if the rx played a part as well. I've read that for most other tx's channel 3 is throttle. dumberthumbs...can you explain what the difference was ? I'm sure it was a setup issue rather than a "JR" issue. There are lots of happy pilots flying with JR gear

Jul 07, 2004, 05:27 PM	#14
DUMBERTHUMBS LOCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 261	For Some Reason When I Created The Model On The Jr Radio A Mix Was Brought In With Out Me Knowing About It, (good Thing It Was Just Serviced By Horizon), Otherwise I Tried Everything On The Darn Radio... Reseted It Severaltimes Too..... But With The Futaba, Y Just Plugged Everything And Selected Hr3 Ccpm120 And Presto! That Was Itonly Adjusted The Travels And That Was It. But I Do Accept, That Now A Days A Lot Of People Can Never Or Don't Need A Computer Radios Full Functions.