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Old May 03, 2004, 06:56 AM
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Retreivel Boat?

Boaters,
I have just moved into a new house with a pond directly behind it. I am planning on flying my small Electric Tiny out my backyard but am leary of dropping it in the water. Has anyone ever heard/seen an electric boat with a powered hook? I know if might be far fetched to think I could hook it remotely--but maybe not. I was also thinking that if I used a float plane a dropped it in...
Just a thought.
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Old May 03, 2004, 01:09 PM
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Any model tug boat, or slow scale ship can push a plane in. I have done it with my destroyer. As long as the plane is on floats it is easy.

Ok, easy is a relative word. There are times in our games where we have to push a 60" destroyer thru a 14" wide harbor gate while being shot at by other ships. So I would say that people in our club have a little more practice at picking up a stranded object on the pond and pushing it to a location. Another tool we have is to drag a small bouy beihind the boat trailing a dull trebel hook on a line. The recovery captain can make a turn around the stern of a stranded ship, and the bobber and hook will cut inside the turn and catch the rudder or propeller and shafts. The stranded boat can then be towed back to the harbor. We practice these methods quite often as a stranded or sunk boat will cost us a game in combat.

Most model boaters keep a tennis ball tied to a fishing reel in the pond kits. If a boat stops running, or overturns, they will throw the tennis ball over the boat, and then reel the ball and boat back into the shore. I am sure it will work just as well with an airplane.
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Old May 03, 2004, 04:30 PM
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Thanks Umi,
The first solution sounds more fun, the second less expensive and maybe more practical. I still need to find out from the park service if I am allowed to run an electric boat in the water.
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Old May 06, 2004, 10:09 AM
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Most model boaters keep a tennis ball tied to a fishing reel in the pond kits. If a boat stops running, or overturns, they will throw the tennis ball over the boat, and then reel the ball and boat back into the shore. I am sure it will work just as well with an airplane.
You know, I have been keeping an eye on ebay for the last couple of weeks for a cheap "rescue vessel" to accompany my Aquarama to the pond for it's mainden voyage "just in case" Why didn't I think of a tennis ball and string much cheaper option...
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Old May 07, 2004, 04:30 PM
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Paul,

I do not know if you have seen this site yet. The section on towing and recovery may be of use to you.

http://www.vac-u-boat.com/Towing_Recovery.htm

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Old May 11, 2004, 08:55 AM
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Thanks Todd,
I am not sure if I want to get into boats that much (I am looking for something ready to go out of the box) but that may be my best bet.
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Old Jun 24, 2004, 08:44 AM
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I am lookin for the same thing but my retrieval distance may be over a half mile as the small lake I use is 3/4 of a mile across. I need to use binocs just to see what direction I am running at times. A fish pole is out of the question. I like the tug solution but dont have anything below to snag on my schooner. Pushing probubly won't work so I may need to snag the bowsprit rigging somehow. Ideas...anyone?
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Old Jun 24, 2004, 11:32 AM
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Well, Paul (namesake of my only son, Paul Britton), I think that Umi Ryuzuki, who is a highly acknowledged professional person and ship modeller/designer, replying to your question is a serious honour, mate!

1/.Best to fly into wind (up-garden direction) and wear a wet suit.

2/.Improve Tennis aim, and net boat with super-fine fishing line I use to hang model planes over my bar with. (they appear to be flying after an hour or so, when I'm there!)

3/. Give up the idea of not being interested in model boats in order to report the results of your efforts here for the advance of hobby!!

With Kind Regards

Ade

(I could train my new puppy "Harris" to swim/retrieve and rent him to you?)
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Old Jun 24, 2004, 12:28 PM
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Well a nice vac-u-boat may be what you guys need.
They look like simple construction.
Most out of the box boats will not have the power to push things up wind. For the most part the only ship I typically run is a 1/72nd scale destroyer. (it's a ship with a pointy bow) I have been able to recover eight foot long(100 lbs) cruisers in calm seas. But if a wind is up I wouldn't have the power.
It took two of us about 15 minutes to get a big ship like that up wind on the pond.
And we have to balance the ship on the pointy bow. My best distance is probably 200 feet and the recovery target was a basketball.

Balancing the "tow" is the most difficult part of any recovery. The secondary skill would be getting that "tow" thru a 14 inch wide harbour gate. A tug model will typically have rubber tires to give it grip, and help maintain the tow on the balance point.

Hoghappy, It seems that you would be able to snag a keel or the rudder with a drag line off of a recovery ship. If you try it and it does not work then you could easily build a small tower on the recovery boat to catch your rigging. Otherwise you have to practice balancing the two boats under tow. If you have to recover over any great distance, then depth perception becomes the biggest problem.

Practice is the only way to make any ship to ship recovery an easy and sure thing.
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Old Jun 24, 2004, 01:16 PM
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Umi's destroyer also has a pointy butt.
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Old Aug 17, 2004, 10:52 PM
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I am lookin for the same thing but my retrieval distance may be over a half mile as the small lake I use is 3/4 of a mile across. I need to use binocs just to see what direction I am running at times. A fish pole is out of the question. I like the tug solution but dont have anything below to snag on my schooner. Pushing probubly won't work so I may need to snag the bowsprit rigging somehow. Ideas...anyone?
a small motor or row boat? canoe
just a thought
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Old Aug 27, 2004, 12:28 AM
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I just bought the Aquacraft "Bristol Bay" boat to recover my GWS beaver on floats. Only $200 Ready to run, just add battery pack 7.2v ($15) Comes with radio, and even working nav lights!!!! Looks nice too. Check it out...Good size boat too.... http://www.aquacraftmodels.com/boats/hcab60-main.html
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Old Aug 27, 2004, 10:04 AM
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Try a Google search for the Dickie harbor tug. It is a RTR (if that is the right term?) R/C boat that is less than that Bristol Bay. Look on eBay too.
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Old Sep 04, 2004, 04:45 AM
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re retrieving models

Hi Guys,
A similar question was posted a few days ago in the Dock talk forum - here's the link:-
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266574

There's a diagram I did there for a very simple and inexpensive device i put together a while back for retrieving stranded boat models - have a look and let me know what you think.
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Old Sep 12, 2004, 11:37 PM
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Another tool we have is to drag a small bouy beihind the boat trailing a dull trebel hook on a line. The recovery captain can make a turn around the stern of a stranded ship, and the bobber and hook will cut inside the turn and catch the rudder or propeller and shafts. The stranded boat can then be towed back to the harbor.
The best length for the tow line is 4 to 6 times the hull length of the towing boat. I have a 12 foot towline for my 30 inch tug. My 51 inch USCGC TAMAROA uses a 22 foot long towline.
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