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Old Dec 29, 2001, 07:44 PM
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Questions and thoughts about Palmer Plans C-130

I've been looking at getting a C-130 for some time now and I've wanted to build from scratch without using foam and the palmer plans are the only ones I've found. I was originally thinking about the 87"ws Herc and have found some pics on the internet of a partially completed one Here and here but living in a small apt think it might be just a little too big.

I'm thinking about using the 51.75"ws herc and blowing up the plans 25% to give it roughly a 65"ws. I think the simplicity of the smaller design would be better (no flaps , retracts, & cargo door) to help keep it lighter. The 51" Herc has a 34 oz sq ft wing load with the Cox engines and I think by enlarging the bird it would help with the wing load.

My question is has anyone seen a Palmer plans C-130 fly. I've looked all over the internet and have yet to find one. The boys over at RCOnline (forgive me if I have offended ) don't say anything good about palmer C-130 plans besides they're "detailed". Has anyone ever seen the 51.75" Herc plans by Palmer??? If so how were they? I called Palmer one day a few weeks ago and the person I talked to just wasn't interested in selling the plans I had some questions about converting them the elec and all I got is ,Ya it can be done, nothing constructive out of the conversation.

What are your thoughts of what I have in mind and Palmer plans in general? I would also be open to other C-130 plans balsa only please in the 60-70" range.

Thanks

Lucas

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Old Dec 30, 2001, 12:32 AM
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I can just see this model now, with four four blade props from EAM at this link and gear drives. As for the Palmer plans, I can not vouch for the plane, but I can vouch for Glenn Del Conte AKA FANMAN's work. Look him up, I am sure he could work up some plans that will suit you for less than Palmer is going to charge. I am not sure what type of detail level you are looking for, flaps, gear, etc...but I am sure he could quickly dole out some less elaborate plans that would you a basis for experimentation.

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Old Dec 30, 2001, 05:34 PM
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I was thinking because it will be balsa and weigh a little more than EAM 60" Herc (EAM using the foam 2lb 7oz auw using 280 motors) I would use S400 motors with 4 blade Vario props. That would look too cool. I wonder if I would need gear boxes for the 400's???
I don't need the working door, retracts or the flaps. their nice but only add weight. I guess if I was too add the options it would be a toss between the retracts and flaps first then the working rear door last.

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Old Jan 03, 2002, 01:04 AM
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I just bought a set of the Palmer plans for the 52" C-130... I too am trying to convert this baby to Electric. Some guy said to use 4 280 motors.. I laughed. This is my first electric model, but I do know that 400's are needed for this one I've been searching all over the net for people making this plan in an electric or even as the gas version, but no luck.

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Old Jan 03, 2002, 01:15 AM
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dizza,

I have too agree with you it is very hard to find any info on palmer plans on the internet. If you look at EAMs C-130 it has a 50" WS and uses 280 motors. I suspect if you keep the weight way down you could too but EAMs model is like 2.5 lbs RTF prob impossible to keep you bird that light. I'm talking to FANMAN right now about kitting a C130 for me just trying to figure exactly what I want (WS 70"+) and can afford with building and gear.

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Old Jan 03, 2002, 01:32 AM
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I don't mind cutting all the wood myself... but I thought I'd save some time and have someone cut the kit for me. Either it costs $250... or it will take 8 weeks... or they don't do it for the smallest of the 3 C-130's that Palmer does.

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Old Jan 03, 2002, 02:13 AM
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I haven't pesonally seen palmers C-130 52" plans but I hear his plans have a lot parts. Do you have the plans? How do they look?

Contact FANMAN about having him kit a C-130 for you, like I said he'll really work with you with WS. Look around the internet he does a great job take a look at this ATR42 has basicly the same nacelles as the C-130.

Good luck

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 01:11 AM
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The plans look nice... 3 good sized plans and an instruction book that describes what to do. A Photo book would of been a nice edition, and the spelling in the book is way off Guess he doesn't believe in Spell Checking. Looks like a sturdy designed plane.

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 01:14 AM
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Got some quotes for cutting the wood for me ... prices ranged from $450 to $800! So... cost of materials would be probably $80-100, and then my time cutting. I have all the tools I need and more... and I have time. So it looks like I'll do the cutting myself, and spend that huge chunk of change on the motors on the plane.

I couldn't believe it cost that much to cut the wood.

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 10:13 AM
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Who did you check with on cutting it? Did you check with FANMAN?

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 10:25 AM
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As a matter of fact, I am talking to him right now about it.

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 10:31 AM
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Excellent, great guy, he should treat you right.

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 11:21 AM
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Lucas,
I have the 1/12 scale c-130 palmer plans that I am converting to electric. The plans are very detailed and do require a modest amount of building experience. The plans came with enclosed instructions that give you an idea on how to proceed. Unfortunately the instructions do not have any construction pictures.
At this time I have finished the fuselage structure and the horizontal stabilizer, but I need to work out some bugs in the retract system. I installed a servo driven mechanical retract system that I had from another model but the servo can barely lift the weight of the main wheels (4x4.5" dia). I may have to drop some cash on an air retract system
The power system has been set up 4 speed 700s driving a 2:1 gear box. I have yet to find a suitable 11x6 four bladed prop.
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Old Jan 04, 2002, 11:35 AM
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What about 4 4-blade Varios? http://eam.net/Varioprop/Intro_Vario.htm Now that would look great! And the pitch is variable too.

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Old Jan 04, 2002, 11:48 AM
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High quotes!

You know I dont quote anything that outrageous, average cost is $150.00, scan, overdraw, review plan, laser cut, final plans, and shipping, however `RUSH JOB' will be considerably more! I dont make much of any $, and you can't see my `Tip' jar from where you are

Think it over, the `Spring Window' isnt far off....
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