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Old Mar 16, 2004, 07:11 AM
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not any of our business .... a private conversation ... so why bring it up?

Why even mention that whole thing about Foriegn leaders when Kerry won't even back it up? Is he affriad of retribution? Why, I mean he believes he's going to win, so there will be no negative reactions to letting us know which countries want him as president.... unless those leaders are like Il Sung Kim and Castro. I mean, if he isn't going to tell us ... we may as well make guess on our own.

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Old Mar 16, 2004, 07:38 AM
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I like the way he went after the person that raised the question. "Are you a Republican?", "Did you vote for Bush?"

Classic ad hominem attack. Says it all about Kerry and his foreign leader tall tales.

On the other hand, there are a bunch of foreign leaders that want a change and most of them are in the Middle East, Cuba, N. Korea and other dictatorships.
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Old Mar 16, 2004, 07:52 AM
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Just as Zapatero in Spain intends to only be the leader of Socialists and not ALL of the Spanish people (Quote: "Zapatero said Monday he would attempt to form a purely Socialist government, not a coalition with other parties."), Kerry clearly intends to be only the President of Democrats and not all the American people.
If you're not a Socialist Democrat, you have NO place in Kerry's America.

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Old Mar 16, 2004, 09:31 AM
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Highflight: I believe you are, yet again, allowing your personal prejudice to influence your reason. That Zapatero intends forming a coalition from his parties and others of similar political philosophies is what any sensible leader would do.
To take that as meaning that he does not intend to be leader of all the Spanish people is a text-book non sequiter. We only have to consider the first legislature of his conservative predecessor, Mr Aznar, who did exactly the same when he had to form a governing coalition of his own Popular Party and several regional conservative parties.
It is like saying he had no green-eyed, bald-headed octagenarian women in his government and consequently was not their leader.
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Old Mar 16, 2004, 02:27 PM
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Like Georgie Boy is my leader

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Old Mar 16, 2004, 02:45 PM
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well, Little billy was my President!!
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Old Mar 16, 2004, 03:21 PM
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Highflight: I believe you are, yet again, allowing your personal prejudice to influence your reason. That Zapatero intends forming a coalition from his parties and others of similar political philosophies is what any sensible leader would do.
I agree that any sensible leader would do that. But, ah, have you been reading what Zapatero SAID he was going to do? (Quote: "Zapatero said Monday he would attempt to form a purely Socialist government, not a coalition with other parties.")

You don't believe your own elected leader when he TELLS you RIGHT OUT, IN PUBLIC, how he's going to RULE?

Sounds like someone's living in a state of denial, and since it's not me, and it's not Zapatero who is TELLING you what he is going to do, then it might be... you?

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Old Mar 16, 2004, 04:25 PM
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I admit to not understanding American politics as much as Spanish or British, but I believe there to be a difference in that the American president is able to nominate non-elected officials to head major departments, e.g. the defence and state departments. However, it is customary in European democracies to appoint only from elected law makers of the majority party in parliament and, in case of need, members of minority coalition parties. Hence, your idea of what constitutes a government in Spain may be erroneous.
The Spanish parliament contains several minority parties, mainly regional, of which some have generally socialist policies, e.g. Izquierda Unida, Esquerra Republicana etc.
It remains to be seen whether the government will eventually be a loose or formal coalition.
I believe this may provide you with further insight to my previous post in this thread.
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