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Old Sep 03, 2013, 09:47 AM
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flybarless VS flybar

Is a flybarless heli easier to fly than a flybar heli for sport flying and /or someone new to flying helis ?
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Old Sep 03, 2013, 12:01 PM
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I flew fly bar for my first 3 years in the hobby before I converted everything over to fbl....I would not say fbl is any easier to fly.. But it does smooth things out a bit better in flight. All the same rules apply for flight be it fb or fbl...

For me fbl feels a bit more locked in. . . . . Others may tell you different..



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Old Sep 03, 2013, 12:07 PM
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I actually like how FB helicopters feel while hovering. It's kind of hard to explain but I always felt more connected to the helicopter and had more control in slow flight. In quick forward flight though, the FBL really makes things more solid, and you don't get the blowback tendency like a FB machine. Oh and FB sounded meaner under positive G's
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Old Sep 04, 2013, 12:57 AM
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Is a flybarless heli easier to fly than a flybar heli...
It's a difficult question to answer one way or the other as it depends on so many variables. To be definitive would require flying the exact same heli with 3 different configurations, 90 flybar... 45 flybar and flybarless. The only heli I know of that had those options available was the long discontinued Walkera 4#6.
Having said that, it also depends on how well set up the mechanical flybar is or how well set up (and features available) the flybarless controller is. After all the flybarless controller is basically an electronic flybar.
The thing about flybars, it's also dependent on the size of the heli as to how easier or more difficult it becomes.
On the micro helis (up up say 300 size) a 90 flybar setup generally means they will be fairly difficult to control, that's why many manufacturers switched to the 45 set up for that size class. The 45 system has a self stabilising effect whereas the 90 not so. Now you will find many of the micros released are flybarless due to the advances in electronic stabilisation.
As you move up in size (450/500) you still find ones available with the 90 flybar, and of course with the larger size and weight comes more stability. But they are more difficult to maintain and set up as there are many more parts in the rotor assembly. This also can lead to more things to repair/replace in the event of a mishap.
I don't mind flybars on the larger helis, but I would not want anything other than 45 or flybarless for the smaller ones.
If you are thinking of getting into this hobby, a decent little quad is a great way to start. The Blade nQx is hugely popular at the moment (for good reason) and will teach you all the basics needed to then progress to a heli, without a lot of the headaches and heartache.
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Old Sep 04, 2013, 05:55 AM
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Easier, no. Better, yes.
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Old Sep 04, 2013, 09:47 PM
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If a FB heli is not setup right, it is harder to fly. I STILL have not had a sucessful flight on a FB heli, but got a 300x and was AMAZED! I can actually fly it. It does what I tell it and ONLY what I tell it to do.
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Old Sep 05, 2013, 10:17 PM
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Is a flybarless heli easier to fly than a flybar heli for sport flying and /or someone new to flying helis ?
I think so. But if you don't know what you're doing an FBL probably has more gotchas.

Trend wise FBL is the way to go.

Current decent micro CP's are pre set up so you pretty much plug and play with minor adjustments but once you are ready for a 450 or bigger have someone who knows what exactly is going on help you with setup ideally till you figure it out, might save a crash.
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Old Sep 06, 2013, 12:20 AM
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Is a flybarless heli easier to fly than a flybar heli for sport flying and /or someone new to flying helis ?
yes its easier when compared to the same heli with a 90degree flybar. Mostly because in order to do FBL, you have to have gyros on pitch and roll, which means external events (wind, gravity) will have much less effect on the heli, which takes a lot of the load off the pilot. Another plus to most FBL setups is piro compensation, which is a HUGE help in flight, taking a lot of load off the pilot = easier to fly.

Personally, I will NEVER buy another heli with a flybar, which is the same thing you will hear from most FBL fliers....
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Old Sep 06, 2013, 02:04 AM
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yes its easier when compared to the same heli with a 90degree flybar. Mostly because in order to do FBL, you have to have gyros on pitch and roll, which means external events (wind, gravity) will have much less effect on the heli, which takes a lot of the load off the pilot. Another plus to most FBL setups is piro compensation, which is a HUGE help in flight, taking a lot of load off the pilot = easier to fly.

Personally, I will NEVER buy another heli with a flybar, which is the same thing you will hear from most FBL fliers....
Could not have said it any better!

Its feels easier as the gyro eliminates the wind factor. I have both FB and FBL and both hold their own. I can do some tricks with less effort and cleaner on a FBL heli than FB.

If you have a FB heli and learning dont discount it. You will end up with better control learning from a FB heli when transitioning to FBL
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Old Sep 06, 2013, 10:17 AM
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I don't think leo4321 no longer cares... Vegas has a way of side tracking people. lol

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Old Sep 08, 2013, 04:27 AM
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I don't think leo4321 no longer cares... Vegas has a way of side tracking people. lol

One and done.
One and done,,,,,,LOL!!
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