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Old Jan 25, 2004, 07:03 PM
malcolm.fisher
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Bird of Time

Does anyone know how much movement there should be on the BOT's all moving
tailplane?
Malc


Old Jan 29, 2004, 04:00 AM
Dirtnap
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Re: Bird of Time

Well, as far as their website tells it:
Both high rate and Low rate should be set to "N/A"
See the link:
http://www.dynaflite.com/techsupport/technotes.html



"malcolm.fisher" <malcolm.fisher@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know how much movement there should be on the BOT's all moving
> tailplane?
> Malc
>
>



Old Jan 29, 2004, 04:00 AM
Dirtnap
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Re: Bird of Time

Also here:
http://www.dynaflite.com/manuals/dyfa0500-manual.pdf


"Dirtnap" <dirtnap@home.com> wrote in message
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> Well, as far as their website tells it:
> Both high rate and Low rate should be set to "N/A"
> See the link:
> http://www.dynaflite.com/techsupport/technotes.html
>
>
>
> "malcolm.fisher" <malcolm.fisher@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> newsfOQb.3$kb4.0@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > Does anyone know how much movement there should be on the BOT's all

moving
> > tailplane?
> > Malc
> >
> >

>
>



Old Jan 29, 2004, 04:00 AM
Dirtnap
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Re: Bird of Time

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Old Feb 03, 2004, 04:00 AM
burntkat IS AT comcast.net
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Re: Bird of Time

Dirt-

have you built the BoT? I have plans on teh way and will end up building one
someday.....


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Old Feb 04, 2004, 04:03 AM
Dirtnap
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Re: Bird of Time

Sorry, never built one, I did set up the radio in one for a friend,
He was a newbie and had an instructor for flight but not to build the plane
or set up the throws, ect.
I think his was built from a kit though.

BTW'
Where have you been, Man?
Haven't see you in the land group for some time.

John



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> Dirt-
>
> have you built the BoT? I have plans on teh way and will end up building

one
> someday.....
>
>
> "Dirtnap" <dirtnap@home.com> wrote in message
> news:2t_Rb.13864$M81.9184@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Page 13
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> >

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Old Feb 05, 2004, 04:00 AM
burntkat@hotmail.com
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Re: Bird of Time

The government has been keeping me busy. LEt's just say I've managed
to keep my hand in RC in the interim

"Dirtnap" <dirtnap@home.com> wrote in message news:<BJYTb.19816$2h.4675@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> Sorry, never built one, I did set up the radio in one for a friend,
> He was a newbie and had an instructor for flight but not to build the plane
> or set up the throws, ect.
> I think his was built from a kit though.
>
> BTW'
> Where have you been, Man?
> Haven't see you in the land group for some time.
>
> John
>
>
>
> "burntkat IS AT comcast.net" <burntkathatesspam@cast.net> wrote in message
> news:bOudnWT7Iowgq4LdRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> > Dirt-
> >
> > have you built the BoT? I have plans on teh way and will end up building

> one
> > someday.....
> >
> >
> > "Dirtnap" <dirtnap@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:2t_Rb.13864$M81.9184@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Page 13
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

Old Feb 07, 2004, 04:00 AM
Aileron37
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Re: Bird of Time

Malcolm, though it has been several years since I have had my Bird of Time, I
recall using an inch or better total throw, (on pitch) and set up expo to
soften the center. I also remember using a lot of rudder throw. The kit I built
was covered with light silkspan and dope and perhaps a bit heaver than a film
covered model. It flew very nice at a trimmed forward airspeed (not just
floating around), would thermal easily, however needed the "larger" throws at
slower speeds. Personally, I like all the throw (within reason) I can get on a
test flight and dial back with dual rates if necessary. rick markel
Old Sep 18, 2006, 11:11 PM
Vegasfan
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Bird of Time

I am considering buying an A.R.F. version of the Bird of Time. Has
anyone flown one before and what is your opinion? I'm relatively new to
soaring. Is this a suitable trainer? Thanks, Clyde
Old Sep 19, 2006, 01:11 AM
Doug McLaren
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Re: Bird of Time

In article <c3IPg.4375$uj3.1963@trnddc08>,
Vegasfan <cbusse1@verizon.net> wrote:

| I am considering buying an A.R.F. version of the Bird of Time. Has
| anyone flown one before and what is your opinion? I'm relatively new
| to soaring. Is this a suitable trainer? Thanks, Clyde

Looks like it would make a great trainer. My only complaint is that
it doesn't come with spoilers unless you add them yourself -- which
isn't too difficult, but if you buy an ARF, you sort of expect to not
have to do that.

I have one in the garage, crashed and then given to me. I've still
got to fix it, so I've never flown it, but the ones I've seen fly fly
very nicely -- nice and slow.

If you're flying off a high start, they're great. For a winch,
they're OK, but be gentle on them. For slope flying, they're probably
good in light lift, but in most cases you'll probably want something
more nimble.

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzied.us
"I tell them I don't need drugs to get high or be cool:
I can do it with alcohol, my anti-drug."
-- The Onion
Old Sep 24, 2006, 05:11 PM
Jarhead
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Re: Bird of Time


"Vegasfan" <cbusse1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| I am considering buying an A.R.F. version of the Bird of Time. Has
| anyone flown one before and what is your opinion? I'm relatively new
to
| soaring. Is this a suitable trainer? Thanks, Clyde
|

I bought one and added spoilers to it. The spar web was put in wrong.
I.E. the grain ran parallel to the spars instead of vertical. I
installed some more webbing with the grain vertical. (Since then I have
found that others have wrapped the spars with Kevlar and also put
graphite cap strips in order to winch launch it.)

I hand launched it and the trim was okay. I did a gentle hi-start launch
(25 paces into a 7 knot wind) and made a circuit of the field and
landed. Did this two more times increasing to 35 and then 50 paces.
After the 3rd landing I noticed the fuselage was kinked just ahead of
the tail. Examination showed that the Fiberglass was not saturated by
the resin.

I contacted Tower and eventually got a new fuselage. To strengthen it I
sprayed insulating foam in the fuselage after installing the controls
and an antenna tube. It adds a little weight but is worth it in my
opinion.

Would I buy another one? Maybe the kit that Tower offers, but not the
ARF.

One of our club members had the same problem while flying a RES contest
and installed the foam over night and flew it the next day in open
class.

I would recommend the Spirit ARF as a trainer over the BOT.

--
Jarhead




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Old Sep 24, 2006, 11:11 PM
Vegasfan
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Re: Bird of Time

Thank you both for the informative posts. I will take your
suggestions into consideration.
Clyde


Jarhead wrote:
> "Vegasfan" <cbusse1@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:c3IPg.4375$uj3.1963@trnddc08...
> | I am considering buying an A.R.F. version of the Bird of Time. Has
> | anyone flown one before and what is your opinion? I'm relatively new
> to
> | soaring. Is this a suitable trainer? Thanks, Clyde
> |
>
> I bought one and added spoilers to it. The spar web was put in wrong.
> I.E. the grain ran parallel to the spars instead of vertical. I
> installed some more webbing with the grain vertical. (Since then I have
> found that others have wrapped the spars with Kevlar and also put
> graphite cap strips in order to winch launch it.)
>
> I hand launched it and the trim was okay. I did a gentle hi-start launch
> (25 paces into a 7 knot wind) and made a circuit of the field and
> landed. Did this two more times increasing to 35 and then 50 paces.
> After the 3rd landing I noticed the fuselage was kinked just ahead of
> the tail. Examination showed that the Fiberglass was not saturated by
> the resin.
>
> I contacted Tower and eventually got a new fuselage. To strengthen it I
> sprayed insulating foam in the fuselage after installing the controls
> and an antenna tube. It adds a little weight but is worth it in my
> opinion.
>
> Would I buy another one? Maybe the kit that Tower offers, but not the
> ARF.
>
> One of our club members had the same problem while flying a RES contest
> and installed the foam over night and flew it the next day in open
> class.
>
> I would recommend the Spirit ARF as a trainer over the BOT.
>

Old May 15, 2007, 11:30 AM
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Basil White

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarhead
"Vegasfan" <cbusse1@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c3IPg.4375$uj3.1963@trnddc08...
| I am considering buying an A.R.F. version of the Bird of Time. Has
| anyone flown one before and what is your opinion? I'm relatively new
to
| soaring. Is this a suitable trainer? Thanks, Clyde
|

I bought one and added spoilers to it. The spar web was put in wrong.
I.E. the grain ran parallel to the spars instead of vertical. I
installed some more webbing with the grain vertical. (Since then I have
found that others have wrapped the spars with Kevlar and also put
graphite cap strips in order to winch launch it.)

I hand launched it and the trim was okay. I did a gentle hi-start launch
(25 paces into a 7 knot wind) and made a circuit of the field and
landed. Did this two more times increasing to 35 and then 50 paces.
After the 3rd landing I noticed the fuselage was kinked just ahead of
the tail. Examination showed that the Fiberglass was not saturated by
the resin.

I contacted Tower and eventually got a new fuselage. To strengthen it I
sprayed insulating foam in the fuselage after installing the controls
and an antenna tube. It adds a little weight but is worth it in my
opinion.

Would I buy another one? Maybe the kit that Tower offers, but not the
ARF.

One of our club members had the same problem while flying a RES contest
and installed the foam over night and flew it the next day in open
class.

I would recommend the Spirit ARF as a trainer over the BOT.

--
Jarhead




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I purchased an ARF BOT with fibre glass fuz and had the same problem, namely unsaturated glass fibre in virtually the whole fuz. Result fuz broken three times on normal landing. Have now reinforced with carbon tows and so far OK. Clearly the quality control at production is not good. Other problem was warp in fuz and had to correct with heat. Not good enough. Wings are really well made and show up poor production of fuz. Have modified with AXI motor. Cut off nose just behind weight and extended nose to accomodate motor with thin 1mm ply then glassed. Built in air scoop above motor to avoid landing damage. Here in Johannesburg (mean height above sea level 5000 feet) thermals great but definately needs spoilers for landing otherwise spend all day bringing bird in. Any suggestions for simple hinged spoilers without major surgery? searchsa@iafrica.com
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