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Old Jun 30, 2013, 12:25 PM
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Cannot find on ebay power backup charger (on first pic) for $30.
eletoponline365 and digitalele889 dont have this one
Look around... ANY standard external USB power supply will work with the camera, assuming it can deliver at least .5A at 5V reliably (1A would be better).
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I almost bought that mount last night but decided I would just make one with a 1/4-20 bolt sticking up and attach a mini ballhead to it. But that was because I was thinking of using a heavier camera, for the Mobius I should probably order a couple of this mount. Anything with a 1/4-20 standard camera thread will attach to the Mobius camera. All my #16 cameras have been adapted to 1/4-20 and it was the first thing I bought for my GoPro years ago. Size and weight are the only reasons why a 1/4-20 mount might not work.
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OK, I just put up FW v0.34 which restores the original AOV and unique 60 fps video. I also posted a Revision history file which I will keep update as new FW rolls out.
I don't think people were upset because of the AOV but because of the frame doubling.
Could you ask the developer to add wideangle 720p as in FW 0.32 but with true 60fps?
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FWIW, the helmet mount you linked that reportedly has a bolt that is "too small" to work with the Mobius mount seems to be a "Marketing 101" tactic (i.e. never admit your product will work with a competing device when you want a buyer to purchase your competing device). I happen to have the mount you linked, which shows it with the #26 camera mounted. Compare that photo with the one I attached below. Hmmm.... seems to work just fine. But having said that, I suspect the Mobius developer will have a helmet adapter as well as the ones currently offered.

Also, I'd be interested in what you find deficient about the Mobius handlebar mount that prompts you to look elsewhere? I've used the Mobius handlebar mount on my off-road bike and it seems to work just fine, though I'm no aerial daredevil, just a laid-back trail rider!
Hey,
I have tested the handlebar mount and it's fine - like Tom I'm now aerial daredevil however I have a friend who's a professional BMXer and a Mobius Action Camera is on it's way to him for him to test out - so give it a few weeks and I can post the footage of what he gets up to. From what I can tell the handlebar mount is fine - I had virtually no shake and great quality. And for how cheap it is, it really is hard to fault.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 02:35 PM
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I don't think people were upset because of the AOV but because of the frame doubling.
Could you ask the developer to add wideangle 720p as in FW 0.32 but with true 60fps?
I don't even know if the hardware can do that (and probably why the glitch in v0.32 FW only output frame doubled 60 fps. The developer reads this thread so I don't have to pass on user requests. I already mentioned the possibility of a wider angle lens that when output at 720-60fps mode will give an AOV within about 10 deg.(my estimate) of the 1080 AOV. That seems like a much easier and more versatile solution to also satisfy those who want an even wider AOV.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 02:40 PM
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I have tested the handlebar mount and it's fine - like Tom I'm now aerial daredevil however I have a friend who's a professional BMXer and a Mobius Action Camera is on it's way to him for him to test out - so give it a few weeks and I can post the footage of what he gets up to. From what I can tell the handlebar mount is fine - I had virtually no shake and great quality. And for how cheap it is, it really is hard to fault.
My camera mount got jolted quite a bit in some of the rough pavement I rode over, so I had to make sure the articulating ball was tightened very securely, but then my el cheapo trail bike does not have any shock absorbers, so that might have been more of a G-shock test than a lot of jumping aerial stuff with shocks?
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My camera mount got jolted quite a bit in some of the rough pavement I rode over, so I had to make sure the articulating ball was tightened very securely, but then my el cheapo trail bike does not have any shock absorbers, so that might have been more of a G-shock test than a lot of jumping aerial stuff with shocks?
Ahhh, I had no problems, granted after going up curbs there was a bit of jolt but nothing unbearable. I'll post some footage of me riding around on a normal bike in a few days. I'm interested to see how my friends footage from the BMX turns out. His bike is top of the range so it will have all the mod-cons etc so should hopefully should get footage and if the bike mount and camera can survive what he's gonna put it through, it can survive anything.
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So when av-out cable is plugged in the cam won't shutdown even if the sd card is full? Since that would mean loss of fpv plane.
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So, where can I buy a pack of a dozen or so replacement rubber lens covers?

(took even less time than I was expecting to lose it)
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Hello,

According to my calculations, this is the size of the mobius videos.

Someone can confirm?
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FWIW, the helmet mount you linked that reportedly has a bolt that is "too small" to work with the Mobius mount seems to be a "Marketing 101" tactic (i.e. never admit your product will work with a competing device when you want a buyer to purchase your competing device). I happen to have the mount you linked, which shows it with the #26 camera mounted. Compare that photo with the one I attached below. Hmmm.... seems to work just fine. But having said that, I suspect the Mobius developer will have a helmet adapter as well as the ones currently offered.

Also, I'd be interested in what you find deficient about the Mobius handlebar mount that prompts you to look elsewhere? I've used the Mobius handlebar mount on my off-road bike and it seems to work just fine, though I'm no aerial daredevil, just a laid-back trail rider!
That is awesome, Tom. Thanks for the pic! Going to place the order right now. Don't know why the seller said that... Is it really well secured?

As I said before "it looks cheap and fragile", BUT I don't have it so I'm not sure. I need to have one handlebar mount and if I need to spend some $, I should go with the one that *looks* better, right? I'm seeing lots of people complaining about bad mounters on the SJ1000, so I don't want to complain about the ones for the Mobius as well. A good camera deserves a good mount. Again: I'm not saying the one currently being sold is not!

Anyway, could you please tell me from which seller you got that mount? Just to make sure it fits.
The same sellers seems to have the same item with two different names and price:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helmet-fixed...item3cd212715a
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Universa...item3cd1da035c

Strange... Can you tell me, please, which one did you get?
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 06:51 PM
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So, where can I buy a pack of a dozen or so replacement rubber lens covers?

(took even less time than I was expecting to lose it)
Did you read post #2 like the thread title says?
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 06:54 PM
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Hello,

According to my calculations, this is the size of the mobius videos.

Someone can confirm?
I don't understand the GO and MO terminology in your charts.
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I don't understand the GO and MO terminology in your charts.
GO = GB and MO = MB. Don't really understand why people often use this terminology, though.
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That is awesome, Tom. Thanks for the pic! Going to place the order right now. Don't know why the seller said that... Is it really well secured?

As I said before "it looks cheap and fragile", BUT I don't have it so I'm not sure. I need to have one handlebar mount and if I need to spend some $, I should go with the one that *looks* better, right? I'm seeing lots of people complaining about bad mounters on the SJ1000, so I don't want to complain about the ones for the Mobius as well. A good camera deserves a good mount. Again: I'm not saying the one currently being sold is not!

Anyway, could you please tell me from which seller you got that mount? Just to make sure it fits.
The same sellers seems to have the same item with two different names and price:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helmet-fixed...item3cd212715a
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Universa...item3cd1da035c

Strange... Can you tell me, please, which one did you get?
I didn't buy the mount... it was sent to me by my contact with the developer.

I don't think the mount is fragile nor does it look that way to me. What does cheap look like. I don't get that impression looking at the photos or holding it in my hand. The other mount you linked DID look fragile and "spindley"!.

Remember the sellers you link sell the #26 camera, which also does 1080p 30 fps as well as 720-60 fps. So that's why they probably told you their mount screw is "too small"... so you might buy their camera instead. Also remember the GoPro is a much heavier camera than either the #26 or the Mobius, so they NEED to be heftier. But for my use (mostly RC aerial video), heftier is not an advantage... it's a liability. That said, the bike mount for the Mobius is "heftier" than the one for the #26, but both will probably suffice for the small size and weight of the camera.
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Hm, that could be the reason why, yes.
Anyway, if you have that, they must be the same. There should be no differences between the two items I've linked.

I said "sellers" isntead of seller on my previous post. I meant that the same seller sells the same item under different names... Maybe they are really different? Anyway, will tell the seller too look closely... And I'm going to order it.
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I am wanting to use this a a car cam as well as many other uses. If I have this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 can I power it and record while powered by the car adapter only?

I have been waiting for the new rc eye one extreme and this camera might be a good alternative depending on what they offer and charge for a camera.
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GO = GB and MO = MB. Don't really understand why people often use this terminology, though.
O = Octet
(used in French, and probably other languages, for Byte which is, as you know, an octet of bits)
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Try this for helmet mount

http://www.amazon.com/Delkin-DDWING-.../dp/B008BNEXH4

I've seen it for less so shop around, no idea what to get for handle bar mount, but I bet there are devices from a few dollars to several tens of dollars depending on build material.
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Depending on how much you might exert yourself, this "thrifty" mount works very well when I'm mountain biking.
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Didn't know it was French. Got it now!

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Try this for helmet mount

http://www.amazon.com/Delkin-DDWING-.../dp/B008BNEXH4

I've seen it for less so shop around, no idea what to get for handle bar mount, but I bet there are devices from a few dollars to several tens of dollars depending on build material.
That one looks good. Can't find it cheaper at eBay, though, and I'm from Portugal, so shipping from amazon (when orders < 25$) is a bit expensive.
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Depending on how much you might exert yourself, this "thrifty" mount works very well when I'm mountain biking.
I'm sorry but I did not understand what mount you're using... Thanks for sharing, though.


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I think I'm going with the one Tom has. It looks ok to me...

EDIT: Tom, I would like to view some of your videos when mountain biking. Tired of waiting for MTB videos already eheh
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I'm sorry but I did not understand what mount you're using... Thanks for sharing, though.

his mount is plain velcro...
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...Anyway, could you please tell me from which seller you got that mount? Just to make sure it fits.
The same sellers seems to have the same item with two different names and price:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helmet-fixed...item3cd212715a
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Universa...item3cd1da035c

Strange... Can you tell me, please, which one did you get?
Did you notice the first one includes a cradle for the #26 camera and the second one (New-Universal...) does not ?
That is probably why the second one is a little less expensive.
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I am wanting to use this a a car cam as well as many other uses. If I have this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 can I power it and record while powered by the car adapter only?
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Yes, please see posts 1 to 4, and post 7.
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Hello,

According to my calculations, this is the size of the mobius videos.

Someone can confirm?
Your 1080p calculations sound pretty reasonable. I have not tested 720p.

As far as 1080p is concerned, a 32GB card will hold just over 4hours 30 minutes. I tested this a few times and never had less recording time but this could vary with different cards and under different lighting conditions. I used standard settings with a Kingston card.

Based on that value, you can most likely expect at least the following recording times:
32GB Card = 4 hours 30 mins.
16GB Card = 2 hours 15 mins.
8GB Card = 1 hour 7 mins.
4GB Card = 33 mins.
2GB Card = 16 mins.

These values will most likely vary by a few minutes but should offer a good guide.
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I am wanting to use this a a car cam as well as many other uses. If I have this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 can I power it and record while powered by the car adapter only?

I have been waiting for the new rc eye one extreme and this camera might be a good alternative depending on what they offer and charge for a camera.
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Yes, please see posts 1 to 4, and post 7.
A bit of additional information: Some ignition systems supply current as soon as the ignition key is turned or the ignition button is pressed, then turn it off for a second or two and then turn it back on again.
Or, you may connect the USB plug and then remove it, and then, a second or two later, insert the plug again. The Mobius fully supports these short disconnect times and will start recording, using it's internal battery, as soon as it's first connected. On the second (or third etc.) connection, the Mobius will use the USB external power to continue recording and at the same time recharge the internal battery. The Mobius will stop recording after a few seconds after external power has been removed. This functionality assumes the camera has been configured with auto-power-on.

You can use any standard USB car charger. The one sold by the sellers noted in post #2 are cheaper than the one in your link, but only has one USB socket.
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what are the odds of a v959 carrying this payload and performing well enough to get some decent video?
First things first. Remember the Mobius is 5 times heavier than the V959 camera (8g versus 40g), so don't expect great flying results.

The V959 will lift the Mobius with it's casing, battery and card inserted.
I don't know how long it will fly with all the extra weight, but don't expect very long. Also, you'll have to find a method of mounting the Mobius.because the top inside of the skid is too narrow. It's most probably best to remove the skid altogether.

To save weight, I would definitely replace the internal battery with a smaller one, for example the smallest #16 battery (402030). If you remove the case, you'll have to find a solution to attach the heatsink to the processor.

In general, I would think the Mobius is too heavy for micro aircraft.
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Did you read post #2 like the thread title says?
It wasn't quite rhetorical, but perhaps I should have left the question mark off. That or searched harded for a tongue-in-cheek emoticon.

Top marks by the way for sorting the 720 AOV issue so quickly. Ta.
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focal length

Hi
someone can tell me the focal length of the Mobius lens?
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someone can tell me the focal length of the Mobius lens?
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I have no idea, but due to the AOV I would guess around 2-4mm.
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According to my calculations, this is the size of the mobius videos.

Someone can confirm?
The Video Quality setting will have the greatest impact on the file size for a given frame size and frame rate. E.g., if it's set on "High" in the GUI for the 1080p - 30fps video mode, the average data rate in my brief testing is about 18,000 kbps. If it's set to "Low", the data rate drops to about 12,000 kbps. That equates to nominally one hour for the High setting on an 8GB memory card, and about 1-1/2 hours for the Low setting. The amount of detail and motion in a scene will cause the data rate (and hence file size and recording time) to fluctuate slightly as well.
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GO = GB and MO = MB. Don't really understand why people often use this terminology, though.
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I'll remember that next time I'm assigning you an IP address... shall I assign you one based on the pentatonic scale instead? The numbers will be la belle magifique; but I doubt you'll be able to get out to G∞gle.

Now back on topic...

Does the new firmware restore the original narrower, "less fisheye distortion" AOV when recording in 720P/60FPS mode? I'm personally more interested in that than 1080P mode with that much fisheye. Plus, 60FPS will greatly reduce the jello I experience with my V959 anyways.

isoprop, I am working on an alternate power system for use with my V959. We'll see how it works out and update here.

I wonder how much my V202 can lift...


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Please Frank, dont kill me! I must know is that right way for buy external charger for Mobius. 45-50$ is too much for me for Just Mobile Gum Pro

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30000mAh-Dua...ht_2052wt_1162
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4400mAh-USB-...ht_1669wt_1400
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-5000mAh-M...ht_5847wt_1162
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Please Frank, dont kill me! I must know is that right way for buy external charger for Mobius. 45-50$ is too much for me for Just Mobile Gum Pro

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30000mAh-Dua...ht_2052wt_1162
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4400mAh-USB-...ht_1669wt_1400
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-5000mAh-M...ht_5847wt_1162
ANY standard USB power supply (nominal 5V OUTPUT) that has the mini-USB plug and outputs at least 0.5A or more will work. ALL of those you show can do this as will many dozens more. This is about the THIRD time this has been asked and answered in this thread, plus it's also stated in Post #7. If you don't understand the details of a power supply rating, do some self study...google is your friend.
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Would anyone know how much battery draw theres likely to be, when its in motion activation mode, but not activated?

Im hoping the battery will last 12-13 hours when its set up to take one photo every 5 seconds, in combination with motion activation (activated 5-10% of those 12-13 hours).

Am I correct in believing, from the following quote, that it will be drawing 300mA, which is only 20-25% less power - so doesn't sound promising


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When the camera is turned off, the RTC and processor draw about 15μA.
When the camera is turned on, but in standby mode, the camera consumes about 300mA.
When the camera is recording, the camera draws between 350mA and 400mA.
In order to protect the battery, the camera will stop recording and turn off when the voltage falls below approx. 3.5V.

The above figures are not definite, but serve as a guide.
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Now back on topic...

Does the new firmware restore the original narrower, "less fisheye distortion" AOV when recording in 720P/60FPS mode? I'm personally more interested in that than 1080P mode with that much fisheye.
What new firmware? Did you read about new FW here?
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A bit of additional information: Some ignition systems supply current as soon as the ignition key is turned or the ignition button is pressed, then turn it off for a second or two and then turn it back on again.
Or, you may connect the USB plug and then remove it, and then, a second or two later, insert the plug again. The Mobius fully supports these short disconnect times and will start recording, using it's internal battery, as soon as it's first connected. On the second (or third etc.) connection, the Mobius will use the USB external power to continue recording and at the same time recharge the internal battery. The Mobius will stop recording after a few seconds after external power has been removed. This functionality assumes the camera has been configured with auto-power-on.

You can use any standard USB car charger. The one sold by the sellers noted in post #2 are cheaper than the one in your link, but only has one USB socket.
Good to know I am burning it into my memory. Thank You. "will start recording, using it's internal battery, as soon as it's first connected." "On the second (or third etc.) connection, the Mobius will use the USB external power to continue recording and at the same time recharge the internal battery"

I assume I must have "Auto Power on Record" set to on, yes?
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...Does the new firmware restore the original narrower, "less fisheye distortion" AOV when recording in 720P/60FPS mode? I'm personally more interested in that than 1080P mode with that much fisheye...
Yes, new firmware v0.34 available at the bottom of post #3 restored the narrow AOV when recording at 720p, either at 30fps or 60fps.
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Good to know I am burning it into my memory. Thank You. "will start recording, using it's internal battery, as soon as it's first connected." "On the second (or third etc.) connection, the Mobius will use the USB external power to continue recording and at the same time recharge the internal battery"

I assume I must have "Auto Power on Record" set to on, yes?
You may be interpreting too literally what Isoprop said. For car use, IF you want the camera to auto-start recording when external power is applied, just set that option in the camera config (preferably using the GUI or optionally manually) and plug it into your car power socket. If your power socket is always on with the ignition off, like mine is, it will start recording immediately! So you will need to unplug it when you leave the car if you don't want it to continue recording.. If the power socket is only energized when the ignition switch is moved off the full off position and energized when the key is turned to the first "accessories" position, the camera will start. But if the power to the socket is momentarily interrupted as the motor is being cranked to start it as some cars do, the camera should tolerate that and keep operating. You shouldn't have to worry about "first, second, or third connections" during the operation of the camera. Then in that case when you turn off the ignition and kill power to the car accessory socket, the camera will record for about 10 sec. more (as I recall), then it will shut off until the next power on cycle.

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Yes, new firmware v0.34 available at the bottom of post #3 restored the narrow AOV when recording at 720p, either at 30fps or 60fps.
I didn't answer this question (assuming it was in regard to v0.34 FW) because I was curious how the poster became aware of the new FW. If he read about here in this post when I announced it, the question was answered right in that post. If it was found by scanning Post #3, I previously attached with the FW a Revision History text file that also explains the change (I will keep the history up to date as well). If the new FW was found using the GUI program's auto updater routine, there should have been the text that explains the FW revisions displayed in the GUI when the FW is downloaded. I say should, because I forgot to add it to the attachment notes, so there was no explanation via that method! That's now been fixed, but I just wanted to see if the other places that answered the question had been overlooked.

For those not yet knowing, the FW also fixed the frame-doubled 60 fps bug that crept in with the AOV anomaly, so now each frame is unique as it was a couple FW revisions ago.
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First things first. Remember the Mobius is 5 times heavier than the V959 camera (8g versus 40g), so don't expect great flying results.

The V959 will lift the Mobius with it's casing, battery and card inserted.
I don't know how long it will fly with all the extra weight, but don't expect very long. Also, you'll have to find a method of mounting the Mobius.because the top inside of the skid is too narrow. It's most probably best to remove the skid altogether.

To save weight, I would definitely replace the internal battery with a smaller one, for example the smallest #16 battery (402030). If you remove the case, you'll have to find a solution to attach the heatsink to the processor.

In general, I would think the Mobius is too heavy for micro aircraft.
Once I get my backup Mobius back I plan on mounting it to either my V212 and/or the new larger V262 platform (runs on 2S). I'm convinced that once stripped and using a smaller battery as Isoprop suggests it will handle it.

To give you an idea. This is my V212 carrying a stripped 808, video out cable (stripped) with a 200mw TX, and powering each with an 808 battery. Total weight is 101 grams RTF (85 grams without main battery). 5 minutes flight time with power to spare:

First V212 FPV flight (5 min 3 sec)
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Yes, new firmware v0.34 available at the bottom of post #3 restored the narrow AOV when recording at 720p, either at 30fps or 60fps.
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I didn't answer this question (assuming it was in regard to v0.34 FW) because I was curious how the poster became aware of the new FW. If he read about here in this post when I announced it, the question was answered right in that post. If it was found by scanning Post #3, I previously attached with the FW a Revision History text file that also explains the change (I will keep the history up to date as well). If the new FW was found using the GUI program's auto updater routine, there should have been the text that explains the FW revisions displayed in the GUI when the FW is downloaded. I say should, because I forgot to add it to the attachment notes, so there was no explanation via that method! That's now been fixed, but I just wanted to see if the other places that answered the question had been overlooked.

For those not yet knowing, the FW also fixed the frame-doubled 60 fps bug that crept in with the AOV anomaly, so now each frame is unique as it was a couple FW revisions ago.
Tom -

I knew about the Frame-double/AOV issue from a few pages back; then later I saw someone saying thanks for "sorting it so quickly"; I was not sure if the AOV issue was sorted in the fashion I had hoped; or if it had been sorted by informing users about new "undocumented features" in the product.

I certainly could have looked at the "FAQ" pages again I imagine; but I have read them like a dozen times already and honestly it slipped my mind in the midst of 2 small children and about 16 other things I'm trying to get knocked out before they knock me out to yank 2 teeth tomorrow afternoon.

Also, I'm an American consumer, which means I WANT IT NOW, DAMMIT! And I'm allergic to anything that resembles STUDYING.

Thanks for taking the time both of you. I'll try and remember to look again in the FAQ areas before asking questions in the future.

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Yes, new firmware v0.34 available at the bottom of post #3 restored the narrow AOV when recording at 720p, either at 30fps or 60fps.
So you mean that I have the same AOV at 720p and 1080p?
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So you mean that I have the same AOV at 720p and 1080p?
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No, the AOVs with FW 0.34 are as stated in post 2.
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Any info or user data on using wide dynamic range? By default its off. If im reading right it helps with wide fluctuations in lighting. This describes aerial footage to a T as the light is constantly changing......

Lastly, I have an apple wall charger that accepts a usb plug. Am I correct in assuming that theres an internal regulator that limits charging to 140ma? The plug says its putting out a constant 5v at 2amps. The 2 amps is way too high for a 500mah 1 cell lipo. If theres an internal regulator Im golden.....

I have to say after reading through all this info and seeing this in person its a LOT of camera for the price. Its size, weight, and 1/3 cost of the GoPro are very appealing!
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Any info or user data on using wide dynamic range? By default its off. If im reading right it helps with wide fluctuations in lighting. This describes aerial footage to a T as the light is constantly changing......
There's no info other than how to turn it on/off in the config file and GUI (post #3). There's also no good video showing how much good this actually does. In my ground shots, I haven't seen any significant difference, but have not yet shot any AV with it yet. I have been told by the developer that it can also increase the video noise, something that normally happens with a simple boost of the CMOS gain. I don't know if this is what it's doing, or exactly how it functions. E.g., if it's a gain boost for low light conditions, when toggled on is it always active, affecting the entire video display, or does it do its thing when the average light level reaches some minimum level or only in the area of CMOS array where it can provide some benefit. And does it also affect the upper end (bright light)?

When I get some time, I'll try to do some side-by-side video with two Mobius cameras shooting the same scene, one with WDR on and the other off. That's the only way to tell definitively what it does.
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There's no info other than how to turn it on/off in the config file and GUI (post #3). There's also no good video showing how much good this actually does. In my ground shots, I haven't seen any significant difference, but have not yet shot any AV with it yet. I have been told by the developer that it can also increase the video noise, something that normally happens with a simple boost of the CMOS gain. I don't know if this is what it's doing, or exactly how it functions. E.g., if it's a gain boost for low light conditions, when toggled on is it always active, affecting the entire video display, or does it do its thing when the average light level reaches some minimum level or only in the area of CMOS array where it can provide some benefit. And does it also affect the upper end (bright light)?

When I get some time, I'll try to do some side-by-side video with two Mobius cameras shooting the same scene, one with WDR on and the other off. That's the only way to tell definitively what it does.
That would be great, Tom. Also great: two videos comparing 720p @ 60 fps and 1080p Raw samples, if possible. I'll try my best to share some when I get mine.
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That would be great, Tom. Also great: two videos comparing 720p @ 60 fps and 1080p Raw samples, if possible. I'll try my best to share some when I get mine.
Yes, that's on my "to do" list, too, but with overcast rainy weather the last several day with more to come, it's not likely to happen for a while.
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Yes, that's on my "to do" list, too, but with overcast rainy weather the last several day with more to come, it's not likely to happen for a while.
Ok, thanks! Hope the weather clears out soon then.
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Webbex (U.K.) added as new verified seller

At the developer's request, I have added Webbex (U.K.) to the list of Verified Mobius sellers in post #2.
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First things first. Remember the Mobius is 5 times heavier than the V959 camera (8g versus 40g), so don't expect great flying results.

The V959 will lift the Mobius with it's casing, battery and card inserted.
I don't know how long it will fly with all the extra weight, but don't expect very long. Also, you'll have to find a method of mounting the Mobius.because the top inside of the skid is too narrow. It's most probably best to remove the skid altogether.

To save weight, I would definitely replace the internal battery with a smaller one, for example the smallest #16 battery (402030). If you remove the case, you'll have to find a solution to attach the heatsink to the processor.

In general, I would think the Mobius is too heavy for micro aircraft.
The mobius FPV plateform will probably be the upcoming V262
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I had major problem getting rid of jello with the #16 on a quadcopter, after some weeks of experimenting I mounted the cam onto a lead-weighted ply plate, a set of 4 foam ear plugs trimmed to 1/2 thickness attached that plate to another which was attached to balsa beam by another 2 ear plugs.
This was with laser pointer balanced props!

Can anyone tell me if this issue is less or absent with the Mobius Cam and post a short vid from a medium sized quadcopter?
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Received my Mobius today from China - first impressions, the camera itself is very nicely made and video quality at 1080p is excellent. However there is a lot of noise at 720p especially with WDR switched on. I've also already managed to break the mount - I tried to slide the camera into the mount with the supplied velcro on the back of the camera. It doesn't fit, and it broke one of the lugs on the mount which locates in the groove on the Mobius. Bit confused as to how you're supposed to use velcro now - the only place you can put it is on the bottom, but then the camera doesn't fit in the mount so you have to decide which option you want to use. Pity, I want velcro mounting on some occasions and tripod on others!

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Does the supplier or anyone else have a video out cable yet? Also, what cable do I need to connect the camera to my galaxy 4 android phone? I have a USB micro connector on my phone.....
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That was fast. I assume you ordered it the day it came out ?


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That was fast. I assume you ordered it the day it came out ?
Yep, believe I was the third person to order from eletoponline. Big step up from the #3 I've had for years but the whole mounting thing has me scratching my head to be honest!

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Mine came with one as a free gift from eletoponline, so they definitely have them.

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Yes, they do, or you can make your own from a Mini USB OTG cable, see here and here (but don't trust wire colours, they do vary).

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Also, what cable do I need to connect the camera to my galaxy 4 android phone? I have a USB micro connector on my phone.....
A Micro USB OTG cable, see Post 8.
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Yep, believe I was the third person to order from eletoponline.
I was no. 1 but no camera yet

Which country are you in?
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Which country are you in?
About 20 miles from you! Surrey. Fingers crossed you'll get yours tomorrow!
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A tracking code is provided, which should give a hint about the whereabouts of the shipment. But sometimes the tracking information is not very accurate. Mine was updated 5 days ago in China... (Where it still might be, but hopefully not.)
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And mine is still in China...
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Hey everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that www.JooVuu.com now has free shipping on the Mobius and has all the accessories in stock. As we are based in the UK/EU we can ship to Europe & America in about 3-5 business days.

The accessories we have are:
- Bike mount
- Helmet mount (3rd party at the moment)
- Car mount
- Mini tripod
- Car charger
- TV/AV out cable

We also have 16gb and 32gb microSD cards in stock. We have plenty of Mobius's in stock as well as accessories. To get the free shipping use the code:

freemobiusshipping

Any questions or feedback on the website/prices please let us know at info@joovuu.com or leave product reviews at www.JooVuu.com.

Thank you for your time,

Any questions please do not hesitate to ask.

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A test of the Mobius Action Cam on 1080p in low lighting and Wide Dynamic Range turned on (and normal bitrate):

Mobius 1080p test - WDR on (0 min 22 sec)


and WDR turned off (and higher bitrate turned on, still being smoothed when this has been posted):

Mobius 1080p test - WDR off (0 min 20 sec)


(smooth movement accomplished by using Youtube's smoothing).

Sample images:
http://imgur.com/a/9ER9u

Raw movie clips:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9h41SYrK!SnYIUE...6R_rjgnvb9K53g
https://mega.co.nz/#!J4hXGRbK!XYK76W...8sjyd9pJTVrPyM

Firmware 0.34

Overall, I'm really impressed! The only thing bugging me is that after recording, the camera seems unresponsive for a moment, but other than that, everything's ok!
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Thanks a lot for raw files!
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Issues:

1. the skin tone is on the orange side and the sky is artificial blue any ideas about a working correction?

2. The video in 1080P is fine if your not moving the camera but terrible when panning. Im using a sandisk 16gb class 4 card. Playing back on a windows 7 I7 11GB ram computer with a 300.00 video card. Im noticing some dropped frames as well......720P at 60FPS looks better but in no way comparable to my go pro.....Hoping this is addressed. Check out the video and disregard the comments as I was not in 720P 60 fps mode.

REC 0002 (1 min 16 sec)
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Maybe I got that wrong , but arent we are talking about a new released key chain cam for under 69usd shipped and not a new gopro for over 400 usd?

For 68usd and under 50grams it looks pretty damn good to me...
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1. the skin tone is on the orange side and the sky is artificial blue any ideas about a working correction?

2. The video in 1080P is fine if your not moving the camera but terrible when panning. Im using a sandisk 16gb class 4 card. Playing back on a windows 7 I7 11GB ram computer with a 300.00 video card. Im noticing some dropped frames as well......720P at 60FPS looks better but in no way comparable to my go pro.....Hoping this is addressed. Check out the video and disregard the comments as I was not in 720P 60 fps mode. ...
Update to the latest 0.34 firmware. Then do a another test video. re video cable - at eBay search for "mobius actioncam cable". USB pinout is shown in post #7.
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A test of the Mobius Action Cam on 1080p in low lighting and Wide Dynamic Range turned on (and normal bitrate):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-rW8mdZZUA

and WDR turned off (and higher bitrate turned on, still being smoothed when this has been posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgF9kXyLlW4

(smooth movement accomplished by using Youtube's smoothing).

Sample images:
http://imgur.com/a/9ER9u

Raw movie clips:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9h41SYrK!SnYIUE...6R_rjgnvb9K53g
https://mega.co.nz/#!J4hXGRbK!XYK76W...8sjyd9pJTVrPyM

Firmware 0.34

Overall, I'm really impressed! The only thing bugging me is that after recording, the camera seems unresponsive for a moment, but other than that, everything's ok!
I was hoping for better resolution in the distance. Back ground trees seem blurry.
This is touted as a Ariel cam I was hoping for better resolution at a distance as that is what Ariel video sees when your at a couple thousand feet.
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I was hoping for better resolution in the distance. Back ground trees seem blurry.
This is touted as a Ariel cam I was hoping for better resolution at a distance as that is what Ariel video sees when your at a couple thousand feet.
I'd say that it's YouTube's fault - it all looks blurry when re-encoded. Try downloading raw files, they look a lot better (at least to me) than the YouTube samples.
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A test of the Mobius Action Cam on 1080p in low lighting and Wide Dynamic Range turned on (and normal bitrate):

Raw movie clips:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9h41SYrK!SnYIUE...6R_rjgnvb9K53g
https://mega.co.nz/#!J4hXGRbK!XYK76W...8sjyd9pJTVrPyM
Thanks for the impressions and samples.
A few observations:

-"high" bitrate looks a lot cleaner
-videos look terrible on youtube compared to original. Even in 1080p
-dynamic range is limited compared to GoPro
-wdr seems more like a low contrast mode by pushing the shadows

I still wish there would be a super high 24p mode with an average of 22.000 kbps or more.
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I would love to see some flight videos from the Mobius. I am really interested in seeing the Field of View from the air. My camera is ordered.
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I would love to see some flight videos from the Mobius. I am really interested in seeing the Field of View from the air. My camera is ordered.
Me to as it is intended as an Ariel cam.
My flying friend ordered one to try as we have so many cams but are looking for better definition.
I almost pulled the trigger from the uk site but couldn't justify the the price.But if you need it now it would be a good deal.
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Hey everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that www.JooVuu.com now has free shipping on the Mobius and has all the accessories in stock. As we are based in the UK/EU we can ship to Europe & America in about 3-5 business days.

The accessories we have are:
- Bike mount
- Helmet mount (3rd party at the moment)
- Car mount
- Mini tripod
- Car charger
- TV/AV out cable

We also have 16gb and 32gb microSD cards in stock. We have plenty of Mobius's in stock as well as accessories. To get the free shipping use the code:

freemobiusshipping

Any questions or feedback on the website/prices please let us know at info@joovuu.com or leave product reviews at www.JooVuu.com.

Thank you for your time,

Any questions please do not hesitate to ask.

Kind regards,

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A test of the Mobius Action Cam on 1080p in low lighting and Wide Dynamic Range turned on (and normal bitrate):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-rW8mdZZUA

and WDR turned off (and higher bitrate turned on, still being smoothed when this has been posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgF9kXyLlW4

(smooth movement accomplished by using Youtube's smoothing).

Sample images:
http://imgur.com/a/9ER9u

Raw movie clips:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9h41SYrK!SnYIUE...6R_rjgnvb9K53g
https://mega.co.nz/#!J4hXGRbK!XYK76W...8sjyd9pJTVrPyM

Firmware 0.34

Overall, I'm really impressed! The only thing bugging me is that after recording, the camera seems unresponsive for a moment, but other than that, everything's ok!
Thanks for the raw samples.
They look good so far, although I was hoping this WDR would work as good as SJ1000... However, with this fw, it doesnt seem to do so...
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The color is disappointing. The sky is artificially too blue and the skin tones are orange. Im a professional photographer so lets not go down the road of inexperience. This needs to be addressed. Also the lag and/ or smearing is not good at all in 1080P mode. 720 is pretty good but for anything except a mounted, fixed position 1080 is useless. No way will 1080 work on a rc craft unless your flying a quad hovering in a fixed position. My guess is that 1080P is what it is and we are not getting a true 30FPS as the lag/ jitter is bad. The color however needs to be adjusted via firmware ASAp as theres NO good reason for this. The color was much better with older designs so lets get this fixed in the next firmware please.
By the way Im located at www.davenphoto.com with over 60k in professional gear and glass. I know its 90.00 but I expect a bit more regarding the color. By the way, I did try the Mobius with a class 10 card with the same results.
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You may be interpreting too literally what Isoprop said. For car use, IF you want the camera to auto-start recording when external power is applied, just set that option in the camera config (preferably using the GUI or optionally manually) and plug it into your car power socket. If your power socket is always on with the ignition off, like mine is, it will start recording immediately! So you will need to unplug it when you leave the car if you don't want it to continue recording.. If the power socket is only energized when the ignition switch is moved off the full off position and energized when the key is turned to the first "accessories" position, the camera will start. But if the power to the socket is momentarily interrupted as the motor is being cranked to start it as some cars do, the camera should tolerate that and keep operating. You shouldn't have to worry about "first, second, or third connections" during the operation of the camera. Then in that case when you turn off the ignition and kill power to the car accessory socket, the camera will record for about 10 sec. more (as I recall), then it will shut off until the next power on cycle.

Clear?
LOL I must have been . I am glad I shouldn't have to worry about first, second or third connections. I want to just power it from the car adapter and not the battery for dash cam use.
Thank You for clearing it up for me. I am "clear" now. BTW Thank You for your hard-work here as well.
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In the video you say "this is 720p".
This means you're using old firmware. The newest firmware 0.34 should give a narrower FOV when using 720p.
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Any chance of putting the Android application for download as well ? (the apk file for sideloading, at the user's risk of course ) The problem is that there are a lot of good chinese tablets around, which seem like they would be compatible, but not listed as compatible in google play because of their build.prop's (hence the apps don't show)... That would be nice at least for the testing purposes and increasing the compatibility list...
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I'd like the option to keep the wide AOV in 720 mode....
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Any chance of putting the Android application for download as well ? (the apk file for sideloading, at the user's risk of course ) The problem is that there are a lot of good chinese tablets around, which seem like they would be compatible, but not listed as compatible in google play because of their build.prop's (hence the apps don't show)... That would be nice at least for the testing purposes and increasing the compatibility list...
Discussing Android devices is OT here, but since you opened the door...
Android apps info is available in post #8.
Most people with low cost Chinese tablets supporting Host USB were able to install my Android apps from Play Store and run them successfully after sending me an email at therau2000@videotron.ca asking for help and assistance.

[EDIT]Link to detailed instructions can now be found in post #8 under section: IMPORTANT information about Android apps:
so there is no need to send me an email.
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I'd like the option to keep the wide AOV in 720 mode....
So far it looks like it comes at the expense of real 60 fps mode, so there is a bit of a dilemma here. Probably downsampling the whole sensor area at 720p, instead of just reading a small portion of it takes it's toll.

Personally, being extremely distortion-intolerant, I prefer the cropping mode but like many other things, it boils down to one's priorities... I guess it would be nice to have this choice as an option, given that it is possible (would probably require different synchronous firmwares though, like AVI and MOV firmwares of #16). That would serve everyone well ...
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As stated I mis spoke. That clip is 1080P. My educated guess is that its not a true 30FPS. The blues and oranges are over saturated. Skin tones look like everyone is wearing tan in a bottle : ) Older cameras had better color, no need for bumping up the saturation in the blues and oranges. Im on the fence as to the increases over the 808 720P cam. I guess if your shooting 1080P on a tripod or stationary perspective its all good. panning in 1080P is not one of this cameras strong points. I can only imagine what it will look like on top of my xplorer 4000 glider : ( Don't get me wrong it's a step up in a lot of ways from the older cameras as far as user interface, design, increased battery, GUI, iris control is better, etc. But in absolute video quality Im wanting more. Im still seeing dropped frames as well. Lets hope a firmware update remedies some of this because if one were only using this camera in 720P 60FPS mode the older 808 is way too close in quality with better color correction and lighter weight. Just my opinions of course.......
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Discussing Android devices is OT here, but since you opened the door...
Android apps info is available in post #8.
Most people with low cost Chinese tablets supporting Host USB were able to install my Android apps from Play Store and run them successfully after sending me an email at therau2000@videotron.ca asking for help and assistance.
Thank you so much Therau2000, and I apologize for the OT post. I'll contact you through your e-mail.

I own a couple of those tablets which have good OTG support as far as I know (I can access or charge my cameras via OTG already), so it would be nice to have the apps on them as well
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Received my Mobius today from China - first impressions, the camera itself is very nicely made and video quality at 1080p is excellent. However there is a lot of noise at 720p especially with WDR switched on. I've also already managed to break the mount - I tried to slide the camera into the mount with the supplied velcro on the back of the camera. It doesn't fit, and it broke one of the lugs on the mount which locates in the groove on the Mobius. Bit confused as to how you're supposed to use velcro now - the only place you can put it is on the bottom, but then the camera doesn't fit in the mount so you have to decide which option you want to use. Pity, I want velcro mounting on some occasions and tripod on others!

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The mount is NOT designed to be used with Velcro on the bottom of the camera. What did you expect!!!!!!
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Lastly, I have an apple wall charger that accepts a usb plug. Am I correct in assuming that theres an internal regulator that limits charging to 140ma? The plug says its putting out a constant 5v at 2amps. The 2 amps is way too high for a 500mah 1 cell lipo. If theres an internal regulator Im golden.....
You can use this wall charger with no problems. Internal regulator does the job. I'm loading my Mobius with my Apple wall charger as well...
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@ Isoprop and others to probably confirm:

Using the great GUI, I found some litte things that confused me.

Regarding the recognition of the camerea: connecting the Mobius to an USB port of my laptop is enough to be shown and configured in ver 1.0.2.5 (as long as iTunes is not running). It works with the camera switched on as well.

Regarding the steps to update:
Step 2 - instead of the yellow LED the blue one starts to blink
Step 3 - In my case, the blue LED was blinking and finaly the yellow LED turned on
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Can I use my battery supply from my #16, you know the one that I bought from eletoponline365 black with led lights?
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Any info or user data on using wide dynamic range? By default its off. If im reading right it helps with wide fluctuations in lighting. This describes aerial footage to a T as the light is constantly changing......
Wide Dynamic Range is used to increase the range of brightness, from darkest to lightest, that the camera captures. The human eye can see detail in a range of brightnesses far in excess of what camera sensors can capture, or most digital files can represent.

WDR is only to be used in extremely contrasty scenes where the difference in brightness from the shadows to the highlights is great. The camera will try to compress the range of brightness to fit into the file's range (8 bit/ 16 bit etc). It works by setting exposure for the highlights and boosting shadow detail, hence increased noise is to be expected from the process.

It does not help with fluctuating exposures, and will harm the rendition of a low contrast scene.

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The mount is NOT designed to be used with Velcro on the bottom of the camera.
With all due respect, Tom, it's not obvious that the mount is not designed to be used with velcro attached to the camera. It looks as if there might be enough room (and indeed there almost is). Furthermore, I didn't use any more force trying to slide the camera in than usual - as you noted earlier, it is very tight anyway. The fact that I didn't force it suggests that the lugs in the mount may be a weak spot and that users should take care with it.

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What did you expect!!!!!!
If I expected it to break with such a small amount of force I wouldn't have tried...
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Anyone shot ans stills yet at the highest resolution and have them somewhere that we can view them?

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Is the blue-sky problem already addressed in the latest firmware or will we have to wait on the next firmware release? Thanks for answering!
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Can I use this as power supply?
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@ Isoprop and others to probably confirm:

Using the great GUI, I found some litte things that confused me.

Regarding the recognition of the camerea: connecting the Mobius to an USB port of my laptop is enough to be shown and configured in ver 1.0.2.5 (as long as iTunes is not running). It works with the camera switched on as well.

Regarding the steps to update:
Step 2 - instead of the yellow LED the blue one starts to blink
Step 3 - In my case, the blue LED was blinking and finaly the yellow LED turned on
As you have found out, the Mobius can also be turned on before connecting to a PC, but it's easier to just plug it in while it's turned off! You don't need to press any buttons if you want to access the card, set parameters or upgrade the firmware. The process couldn't be easier.

The GUI uses standard Windows interrupts to detect when a device is connected or disconnected. Most likely iTunes redirects the interrupts so they never reach the GUI. If 3rd party programs grab interrupts and don't handle them correctly, them there's nothing the GUI can do. I certainly don't want to manually poll for disk changes every few seconds. That is not good programming practice .

The firmware instructions you posted are for the #16 and not for the Mobius! Are you sure you weren't updating a #16? The selected camera is identified by the VID and PID. The tabs should also have been in the Mobius' color and not in the #16 color. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you would do further testing and if you still find an issue with the firmware update text reply to me by PM or better by email. My email address can be found on the GUI download page which can be accessed by clicking on one of the images in post #6.
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Anyway, I would appreciate it if you would do further testing and if you still find an issue with the firmware update text reply to me by PM or better by email.
For info, I updated the firmware on my Mobius yesterday using the GUI and it worked perfectly - instructions were spot on for me.

Cheers,
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For anyone who needs a new/additional mount or spare lens caps, email your approved vendor and ask if they can supply them. I have one of each on the way from eletoponline365 who I also bought the camera from, thoroughly recommended.

Cheers,
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There are literally hundreds of external USB battery packs that can be used with the Mobius. Your link is to a battery pack sold by the official Mobius seller, so it will work for the Mobius as well as the #16.

However, it would be better to use a direct cable from the battery pack to the Mobius instead of using adapters. You can use any standard USB cable for this. The standard cable supplied with some Mobius packages will work perfectly.
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Okay, so some more footage:

(Don't trust YouTube's quality, it's a lot better raw. Also, please forgive me my shaking hands, however I won't turn on the smoothing on YT this time, so the materials are as raw as possible)

1080p test - Low lighting, High bitrate, WDR on
1080p Mobius test - WDR on (0 min 25 sec)


1080p test - Low lighting, High bitrate, WDR off
1080p Mobius test - WDR off (0 min 25 sec)


Low quality test of the timelapse feature - a bit failed, uploaded in low quality just for quick preview
Mobius timelapse test (0 min 20 sec)


Raw footage:
https://mega.co.nz/#!1pwzRJ5B!CCtKVm...rGdJjtWgfYTquM
https://mega.co.nz/#!9tRHWC5T!Bzqhww...4ge0iJcwyQC3Ao

As for the updating of the camera's firmware, I found it pretty painless!
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I recibed my Mobius today from JooVuu store, great service and fast shipping.

The camera quality is just amazing.
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The mount is NOT designed to be used with Velcro on the bottom of the camera. What did you expect!!!!!!
I actually have a need for Velcro use along with the standard mount as well. It's non-RC related though, and the camera cannot be in the mount for the application. Velcro is the only alternative.
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