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Old Apr 12, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Flight stabilization????

I would like to hear how the warbird fliers feel about using flight stabilization in the warbirds. Part of me feels its cheating and keeps me from becoming a better pilot. I dont use it now but many people at my club do. How do you feel about them?
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 10:58 AM
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I would like to hear how the warbird fliers feel about using flight stabilization in the warbirds. Part of me feels its cheating and keeps me from becoming a better pilot. I dont use it now but many people at my club do. How do you feel about them?
I think the world is a big enough place for ‘devotees’, conscientious objectors and casual explorers, of such devices ... all alongside one another.

Typically, rc-flight competency certification does not allow use of them during flight testing (at least in the U.K.), which is understandable
…. but otherwise, why not explore ?
.... you can always take them out again, or in some cases, simply turn the functionality off.

I'm currently exploring use of one on a PZ MkIX Spit.

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Old Apr 12, 2013, 11:10 AM
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I have one in my Skyraider, though I have yet to fly it.

If technology becomes available to make the world a safer place, why not use it?

Or turn those airbags off and drive without seat belts.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 11:42 AM
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i go for bigger motors. speed's great for flight stabilization
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:05 PM
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I think the world is a big enough place for ‘devotees’, conscientious objectors and casual explorers, of such devices ... all alongside one another.

Typically, rc-flight competency certification does not allow use of them during flight testing (at least in the U.K.), which is understandable
…. but otherwise, why not explore ?
.... you can always take them out again, or in some cases, simply turn the functionality off.

I'm currently exploring use of one on a PZ MkIX Spit.

...and i'm paying attention to your results/observations.
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despite one's piloting skills, there seems to be environmental factors that warrant the use of one of these things. i'm particularly tired of trying to beat turbulence on landings. where i live is always windy (it seems). i'd already have one if it weren't for the price at the LHS.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:14 PM
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The field I fly at sometimes has a updraft at on end of the runway. It can be calm but the updraft will come and go. The gyro would help but but to become a better pilot I should learn to deal with every situation. Right ?
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:35 PM
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if you don't think you need one (or want one), then don't get one. if your situation seems tolerable to you, i wouldn't get one in that case. i've tried to cope with situations that are only predictable in that they are unpredictable - consistenlty. and they are not something that tends to be just a matter of skill (imo). i get tired of repairing and dinging my planes.
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another way to look at a moderate situation (one that might be considered as overcome by skill development) is to employ the gyro, but gradually turn the gains down (in subsequent setups/adjustments) so that the unit slowly and gradually turns over control to the pilot. kinda like a 'trainer' gyro.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:36 PM
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@Drttrack97: yes. just my 2 cents but stick time and flying in windy weather is the best preparation.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
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i prefer to fly without but i do love my beast! the gyro does help for sudden wind gusts upon landing and takeoff. helps to limit damage that can happen in a blink of an eye. i don't feel i need it once im air born.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 02:43 PM
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Got the orange flight stabilizer in both my PZ Spitfire and Durafly SE-5a. I was skeptical at first but I really do like it. I can fly that biplane in conditions I wouldn't otherwise. And watching my Spitty automatically compensate for light wind gusts is pretty cool. It reacts a hell of a lot faster than I can. Recommended. A good read > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...+flight+stabil
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
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PZ did a good job with their AS3X stabilizer, I have both the AS3X equipped Beast and the non-AS3X equipped Beast, and there's a big difference between the two.
Also have a AS3X equipped GeeBee R2, and it's pretty solid.

They don't auto-level or fly the plane for you, but they do tame some of the bad tendencies of warbirds.
It can be a pain to get the gain settings dialed in for a particular aircraft, and sometimes you'll never find a setting that you really like.
Seems to be a compromise between good flight and a stable airplane.
Other models take to flight stabilizers right off the bat and work well together, and when that happens you'll never want to fly the model without it.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 09:57 PM
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Yes, flying without it is the best way to learn and improve your skills, esp the landing of plane.

Once u are able to fly well, it's time to explore the technology, I use it during windy condition, u will be surprised how well the plane handle the windy condition under the stabilisation mode. I hv ever landing 45 deg to the landing strip with and without the stabiliser, due to strong wind, the stabiliser handle this condition very well.

Btw, I can also remotely off my gyro thru transmitter, so why worry that u are not learning...So bottomline, know how to fly well without it first, then use it just to experience the 'taste' of new technology. Windy condition flying is not everyone liking, but having said this, here while they are packing up, u are still flying!!! lol.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 10:08 PM
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Forgot to mention that gain adjustments on the TX are very helpful when dialing in a flight stabilizer or gyro, you can adjust on the fly with a turn of a knob just like the heli guys do.
Instead of going for a short flight, landing and adjusting, then taking off again, all you have to do is adjust the knob until you get a setting you like...saves a lot of time!
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Old Apr 13, 2013, 01:04 PM
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Stabilizers only help with outside influences on the plane...you still have to fly it yourself. I've got the V.1 Orange 3 Axis Stabilizers (Rate Gyros) in 2 of my planes, and they transformed tail dragging Warbirds into trainers pretty much, MUCH more docile for take-offs especially, and allows me to fly in conditions I would otherwise pack it in for the day due to wind, which is nice. I'd like to get the V.2 Orange, as it can be turned on and off from the radio, so you'd only really have to use it for taking off and landing
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Old Apr 13, 2013, 01:23 PM
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i go for bigger motors. speed's great for flight stabilization
I almost always use a bit higher pitched prop too! When I can anyway. I have some bigger motors, but no way to fit 'em into some of my planes, waaay too big. Wasted motors just sitting!
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