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Old Mar 09, 2013, 10:36 AM
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Without compassion for the most vulnerable in your society you have nothing
Compassion growing out of the barrel of a gun?
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 10:36 AM
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Obama haters translates to productive high information voters supporting loosers.
I don't think American's who express hate for a sitting President cover themselves in much glory!

Just sayin'
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 10:40 AM
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So, in essence, what you are saying is that you have family members who get very good healthcare, paid for by the taxes of American citizens and provided by the state, because they cannot afford to pay health insurance, yet you are simultaneously decrying the involvement of Government in the process?

If it was not for that state provided healthcare what would those family members do?
All I'm saying is EVERYBODY can get health care in the U.S. When people post to the contrary, it is just CRAP!!!!!. Now you can take that anyway you want. If forced Govt care for everybody works for you, fine. You've got it. That doesn't mean it is best for us.
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 10:49 AM
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All I'm saying is EVERYBODY can get health care in the U.S. When people post to the contrary, it is just CRAP!!!!!. Now you can take that anyway you want. If forced Govt care for everybody works for you, fine. You've got it. That doesn't mean it is best for us.
You've just said that you have Government provided healthcare there for everyone that needs it. That's great. It's payed for by other citizens, as far as I can make out from the way it is described.

FWIW we don't have forced Govt healthcare for everyone, anymore than the situation which you describe for your own family members. We can choose to pay for private healthcare, choose to contribute to insurance backed healthcare or choose to use the NHS.
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 10:51 AM
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Well all I can say is 26 or so hours on, my NHS treatment of yesterday is most satisfactory thank you very much
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 11:38 AM
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Without compassion for the most vulnerable in your society you have nothing
Oh, one only has compassion if they want the State to do something?

So your version of compassion is hurting more people to help fewer people.

What about compassion for the larger number of people you're hurting?
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 12:46 PM
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Oh, one only has compassion if they want the State to do something?

So your version of compassion is hurting more people to help fewer people.

What about compassion for the larger number of people you're hurting?
So you'd argue that the USA looks after it's most vulnerable well presently ?


A few folks down New Orleans way would probably not agree with you and there are one or two trailor parks where a similar response may be gleaned!
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 02:16 PM
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Without compassion for the most vulnerable in your society you have nothing
BINGO!!!

The right in America's idea of compassion is DIE QUICK!!!
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 02:20 PM
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Oh, one only has compassion if they want the State to do something?...
Yes when the state is the last resort..

Only the right will try to make the argument that there are other sources for the poor and working poor and this covers 95% of the people who have not...... even though they are shown proof over and over and over again that position is false.

Here recently legislators from the US right are trying to defend a community help group called ACORN even though there's no proof that ACORN or its affiliates exist any longer.

The right in the US has a really hard time dealing with reality
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 02:27 PM
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Obama haters translates to productive high information voters supporting loosers.
Hating your president isn't generally a characteristic I associate with "productive high information voters".
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 02:58 PM
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I liked this article. They try to defend the poor Uk healthcare system.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...lthcare-reform
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 03:02 PM
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BINGO!!!

The right in America's idea of compassion is DIE QUICK!!!
Didn't we go through this yesterday? Didn't I prove to you that what you say is a lie?
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 03:14 PM
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I liked this article. They try to defend the poor Uk healthcare system.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...lthcare-reform
We get what we pay for. Health care costs half in the UK what it does in the US. If we doubled what we currently spend on the NHS then I'm pretty sure we would beat US figures across the board.
I personally pay about 35 / month on top of that for private medical insurance (2 adults, 3 kids).

I've tried googling to get figures on how many UK citizens go bankrupt due to medical bills but all the returns seem to be for the US.
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 04:23 PM
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Didn't we go through this yesterday? Didn't I prove to you that what you say is a lie?
No

I asked you for proof that your steps sons instance is the rule and you decided to cut and run..

You STILL haven't answered the question

regards
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 04:27 PM
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We get what we pay for. Health care costs half in the UK what it does in the US. If we doubled what we currently spend on the NHS then I'm pretty sure we would beat US figures across the board.
I personally pay about 35 / month on top of that for private medical insurance (2 adults, 3 kids).


I've tried googling to get figures on how many UK citizens go bankrupt due to medical bills but all the returns seem to be for the US.
OMG!!

We have to pay 500usd a month and it's corporate subsidized!!!!

Meaning the corporation is paying like 30% of it ...

omg!!

I didn't know it was that bad over here...

I've always said the left in the US are their worst enemies, they never take the message to something meaningful for the working class in America

"...In Scotland to insure a family of 5....the cost, 70usd a month...."

"...In America you pay 450 for a family of 4......and the STILL can kick you off the insurance roles if you're an adult...."

Morality of the right in America...these are the people who deem themselves to be ..... holy
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