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Old Mar 07, 2013, 04:18 PM
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The lengthy explanation above won't change the fact that the community has established a meaning for this term already. And, while I agree with the reasoning there, it's still wrong.
Nor does it change the fact that a vast majority of modlers/hobbyist are into model airplanes for the fun of it (there are those that just troll around to tell others what to do ) regardless if they're flying "full scale" or Full size" models.

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Old Mar 07, 2013, 05:36 PM
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Soooo, how about helping this guy with his landings there guys. Hehe.
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Old Mar 07, 2013, 05:37 PM
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Soooo, how about helping this guy with his landings there guys. Hehe.
Waiting to see what kind of plane it is.
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Old Mar 07, 2013, 05:47 PM
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Soooo, how about helping this guy with his landings there guys. Hehe.
Just my 2 cents, which isn't worth much but, good landings are not something you can teach through a text box. It takes practice and hey, isn't that why we fly? To fly? i.e. practicing... Takes offs are optional but landings are mandatory.

Quite honestly takeoffs and landings, or touch and gos is really 75% of what I fly for. I just do touch and gos as often as I can just for the fun of it.

A flight simulator is the next best option for learning to land, but IMHO asking for advice on a message board is not going to translate into better techniques, only practice will.
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Old Mar 07, 2013, 07:10 PM
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My brain is filled with so much information !!! we do tend to wander,don't we?

No matter where the wheels are,no matter what type of plane--get the wheels 3 to 5 inches off the ground,and don't allow them to get any closer.Just keep slowly holding the nose up,and as speed bleeds off the plane will settle to the surface.

Full size="real ? plane?....What is my model-imaginary ? .Models are real....

No matter who says what,The 'accepted'description is "Full Scale", "Full Size", and "Model" airplane.....It's hard to unlearn things.....
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Old Mar 07, 2013, 10:05 PM
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Well it is hard for a beginner to grasp the "give it a little throttle" in my experience anyway. You are right though, practice is best.
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Old Mar 07, 2013, 11:41 PM
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Soooo, how about helping this guy with his landings there guys. Hehe.
No one is preventing you to do so.

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Old Mar 08, 2013, 12:17 AM
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My brain is filled with so much information !!! we do tend to wander,don't we?

No matter where the wheels are,no matter what type of plane--get the wheels 3 to 5 inches off the ground,and don't allow them to get any closer.Just keep slowly holding the nose up,and as speed bleeds off the plane will settle to the surface.

Full size="real ? plane?....What is my model-imaginary ? .Models are real....

No matter who says what,The 'accepted'description is "Full Scale", "Full Size", and "Model" airplane.....It's hard to unlearn things.....
Agreed that "Full Scale" _ _ _ "Full Size" _ _ and "Model" are accepted descriptions.

It does not prevent people from interpreting these terms.
I simply explained how I interpret them.
Anyone can interpret these terms their own way.
We live in a world of confusion anyway.

A Predater is a full size airplane without a human on board but it is manned by humans on the ground. If a hobbyist builds one then it becomes a model.

Some fellows seem to consider that model airplanes are not real airplanes. For me I consider that model airplanes are real airplanes usually of scaled down dimensions or of relatively low weight and flown remotely via a radio link.

Some automatic reaction is essential to be devlopped to become a successful pilot and that is where and why practice is important.

Unfortunately it is not practical to have instructors that have been trained to be instructors and to follow a predetermined teaching curriculum like exists in full size teaching for a pilot's certificate (license).

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Old Mar 08, 2013, 06:17 AM
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Sorry for my late reply .
Its an LA Racer aerobatic plane , two at the front and one at the back .
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Old Mar 08, 2013, 09:57 AM
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Sorry for my late reply .
Its an LA Racer aerobatic plane , two at the front and one at the back .
OK that makes a HUGE difference to know that!

The LA Racer is not a great beginner plane. It's basically a club pylon racer, like the Sky Raider pylon racing plane (from the same company).

I suspect if you're bouncing this one, it's actually because you're landing too slow. Most of the time beginners try to land too fast, but the most common mistake I've seen with these planes is landing too slow, and the plane plops rather than landing and rolling. Try carrying a bit more speed on your landing and see if that helps. Set it down soft and let it roll.

I see the pylon racer guys do this all the time - they come in for a traditional landing and slow way down, then the plane stalls just above the runway - for many planes that is the right way, but for these racers, the fast vertical drop causes it to bounce and usually flip over forward. Let it settle onto the runway slightly nose up, but while it's still flying - then hold the elevator to keep the tail down as it rolls. Hard to explain, easy to do when you figure it out.
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Old Mar 08, 2013, 01:42 PM
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Touch and goes. That says it all. many people go out and just fly with out any skill building manuvers in mind.
When I teach a guy right after low approaches we work on touch an goes. That way he can land his plane
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Old Mar 08, 2013, 02:14 PM
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You know the same concept applies to full scale flying...when I was working on my Privates, I did a LOT of touch and goes (had to, instructor said so) then after getting my license, my landing started getting 'less than perfect'....so every so often I would log 6-8 touch and goes every other month and things started getting MUCH better!
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Old Mar 08, 2013, 05:42 PM
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In latest AMA e-mail. http://www.modelaviation.com/LandingApproach
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 05:54 AM
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OK that makes a HUGE difference to know that!

The LA Racer is not a great beginner plane. It's basically a club pylon racer, like the Sky Raider pylon racing plane (from the same company).

I suspect if you're bouncing this one, it's actually because you're landing too slow. Most of the time beginners try to land too fast, but the most common mistake I've seen with these planes is landing too slow, and the plane plops rather than landing and rolling. Try carrying a bit more speed on your landing and see if that helps. Set it down soft and let it roll.

I see the pylon racer guys do this all the time - they come in for a traditional landing and slow way down, then the plane stalls just above the runway - for many planes that is the right way, but for these racers, the fast vertical drop causes it to bounce and usually flip over forward. Let it settle onto the runway slightly nose up, but while it's still flying - then hold the elevator to keep the tail down as it rolls. Hard to explain, easy to do when you figure it out.


I'll go ahead and try that today .Aswell as some touch and goes to figure it out physically , like what kerwin suggested .
Thanks guys .
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Old Mar 09, 2013, 11:08 AM
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If your radio has servo speed control you can slow the elevator servo just a wee bit and that will help a novice thumb smooth out the landings. Of course somebody will dispel this idea but, it worked so good for me on a touchy plane that I'm considering it for other models also.
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