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Old Feb 25, 2013, 06:22 AM
What, Me Worry?
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Well said, Markran. This hobby has evolved and will continue to evolve with technology. It is, after all, a technology based activity.

I find it interesting how many of the comments on here are defending ARFs and taking it as though they have been offended in some way. Yet I've not really seen any posts in this thread that bash ARFs and those who buy them. The original poster simply stated that it seems that only the older modelers build, as opposed to assembling. Obviously, that is not true. I think it is true that it is mostly older modelers who build the traditional way with balsa and plywood. Notice I said MOSTLY. Not only.

Many other modelers, young and old, design and build using more modern methods and materials. It's all good, and it is all good for our hobby. Aeromodelling is alive and well and seeing more people give it a try because of the availability, ease and relative cheapness of trying it out with the modern ARFs, including foamies and EPPs, etc.

No one here is looking down their nose at RTF and ARF fliers. I took the original posters comment as an observation and not a put down. So chill and go flying.

Interesting, too, that the original poster has not commented further. Got alot of thread mileage from a simple post!
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 06:46 AM
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Edbu-1.
I think you have put your finger on it....I stated earlier that I assemble ARFs for money...I should have clarified that..
First, I get no satisfaction from building an ARF, since I'm a proven 'old guy'(72),and my joy comes from building from the ground up ...
Secondly, I use the income to finance my own kit or scratch builds.

And thirdly, there's a piece of me that says 'since this person needs help, from either not having the room or skills or tools to build,let's help him get the best chance of success'.

From my aspect, flying is flying,and I want to share that..I just don't know why I can't say I hate ARFs publicly,with out all hell breaking loose.
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 08:29 AM
ARFs Are Me
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Say it, Earl. LOL

I have a disdain for ARFs. I get no satisfaction from them. Seeing 5 models on the flightline, all the same, doesn't do much for me, either.

Even though I don't care for them, I do believe that each of us has the right to choose We old guys know how satisfying building is, but we can't force our enjoyment on others.

Flying is flying, but I believe that it is more enjoyable when we have sweat equity built into our models.

Unfortunately, there is no way we can implant this love into the uniniated. LOL

A retired guy comes over, once in awhile. He looks in my shop, and his chin drops. He sees what I do, but all he wants to do is buy.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. LOL
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 08:38 AM
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It's also a lot more fun when you have some friends to fly or boat with.

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Old Feb 25, 2013, 09:04 AM
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 12:57 PM
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Why do these threads always turn into a "kit vs arf/bnf/plug n play" competition?

Things change, most everyone from the younger generations must have an instant gratification product. If the arfs/bnf's/plug n plays bring more people into the hobby i am all for it!

Afterall, it is nothing but good for us all. More people = more sales = more market items = more market competition = lower prices = better for us all

AND

The companies involved in the hobby are more likely to invest in newer and better technology that everyone can benefit from.

Compeltely agree...

This is a great time to be in the hobby, and I started building in the late 70's with Guillows and Comet kits - aka: stick and tissue for you newbs..

Anyone remember cutting out the parts of a Comet ink-stamped kit? Now that's frustrating when you're only 8 and the parents won't let you have an Xacto knife. Sterling's airplane kits? I swear they used the same wood from their boats. The quality of the kits back them wasn't all that great, but has improved by leaps and bounds over the last 25 years. Great Planes kits practically glue themselves together....

Today's kits are better than they have ever been. The variety is unbelievable, you just won't find the really good stuff on your LHS's shelf. If you prefer to roll your own, plans and a laser cut short kit are the way to go. While I'm still partial to balsa and ply, I have a couple foamies that are lots of fun to fly. Today's wood ARFs are incredible too, ever taken a good look at some of the latest offerings from Horizon, Pilot or EG Aircraft? The engineering and laser cutting are incredible!!


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Old Feb 25, 2013, 12:59 PM
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Ugh, what a load of rubbish.

I see this time and time again, that the 'old guys' are true modellers and anyone who buys a ready to fly model is somehow cheating.

There seems to be a mindset amoungst builders that you're not a 'true' modeller unless you've done your time, turning balsa into dust.

If the hobby were 'model building' only then you may have a point. AS it is, Aeromodelling is a multi-faceted sport. Like kenh3497 says, it doesn't matter how you get there, just get there.

I've bashed a fair amount of balsa in my time (I've been modelling for 25 years and I'm 34) and I scratch build for fun. I also fly F3A and use ARF aircraft for that as the quality of the airframe is better than I can do in my workshop, however they cost a pretty penny.

To look down your nose at fliers who use RTF aircraft is narrow minded, and will only end up with new modellers feeling alienated, and NOT learning anything from you about the nuances of model building.
Well said.

And I have to ask, how does building a plane from bits of wood automatically make you an expert in aerodynamics? I don't see the connection ...

Chris
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 02:05 PM
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Chris:

Building an airplane from bits of wood does NOT automatically make you an expert in aerodynamics. Who said it did?
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 03:23 PM
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Plane or heli. Kit or RTF. Balsa or foam. Gas or electric. Soar, 3D, Scale, FPV, whatever! What I love about this hobby is it's diversity and it's people. I'm 48 and have only been flying for 2 years. I am an expert in...well.. nothing in this hobby. So far I have been primary foam and electric but I love the sound and smell of "real" engines! I can appreciated the craftsmanship and skill someone has put into a scale scratch build and the fun and joy of flying a foamy that took 2 hours to build. Should I live so long to be able to try a little of everything in this great hobby, I will consider myself blessed!
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 04:38 PM
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Way back in '93 I acquired a pica Fw190 kit and by gummy I still have it and it stills flies from time to time .Took a few years to get it completed but lets see a foamy arf look like this .OS91 surpass ,Century Jet retracts , functional scratch built exhaust manifold ..
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 06:48 PM
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Some folks only want to get to their destinations,whilst others enjoy the trip.

I'm one of those who enjoys the trip, in that I design and build my own models. But, if you want to assemble and fly ARFs, go ahead and have fun. Just don't look down your nose at me, and I won't look down mine at you.

CD
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 07:09 PM
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I will be one happy camper when Captain Kirk's transporter is operational!

OTOH, I love building.

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Old Feb 25, 2013, 08:46 PM
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Some folks only want to get to their destinations,whilst others enjoy the trip.

I'm one of those who enjoys the trip, in that I design and build my own models. But, if you want to assemble and fly ARFs, go ahead and have fun. Just don't look down your nose at me, and I won't look down mine at you.

CD
What if I'm really really short?
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 09:54 PM
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I don't give a sh*t what any else does, I like to build. John
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Old Feb 25, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Some folks only want to get to their destinations,whilst others enjoy the trip.

I'm one of those who enjoys the trip, in that I design and build my own models. But, if you want to assemble and fly ARFs, go ahead and have fun. Just don't look down your nose at me, and I won't look down mine at you.

CD
And what a long strange trip it's been.
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