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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:02 PM
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But why would anyone ever volunteer to build/cover for anyone?
Those are acquired and developed skills.

I have a simple rule... do for others what they can do, for free.
The rest pay for what they cannot do but want from me.

In other words, don't expect the transmission shop to rebuild your 6-speed automatic for free.
Someone may be retired and have more time on their hands then they know what to do with. They may be on fixed income and not have means to buy kits and build them, they may enjoy building a kit more than flying (I know several guys like this, they just build and pretty much give it away after it's built).
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:31 PM
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You forgot to mention.... covering, glue (of several types & viscosities,) CA hinges or hinge tape, hobby knife blades, sandpaper (of several grades,) covering iron socks, electricity, heat and light for your shop -- and that's just the expendable/replaceable supplies that come to mind, just to get to a covered airframe. And never mind the occasional broken drill bit or saw blade. If you say the drill and saw are unnecessary, then maybe you plan for zero mistakes or hacking anywhere along the way.
I have all those things and would not ask for payment on those items except for covering. But if I had left over covering from a previous build, the next guy would not have to pay for covering ($16 a roll) if he chose the same color.

Frank
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 02:32 PM
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But why would anyone ever volunteer to build/cover for anyone?
Those are acquired and developed skills.

I have a simple rule... do for others what they can do, for free.
The rest pay for what they cannot do but want from me.

In other words, don't expect the transmission shop to rebuild your 6-speed automatic for free.
Why? Because I enjoy building. I enjoy helping others. I'm currently building a profile for a club member and not charging him a dime. I've done it before for another club member also. All I charge is the the cost of materials. The club member wanted something like what I had but didn't have the time or tools to build so I offered to build one for him. I also work a 40hr+ job a week but I build after work when I have time. The build is on my time frame but it's winter and not much flying is going on right now. It's all about helping others enjoy the hobby as much as you do.

Here's the build going on now. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1821273

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1825723
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 03:35 PM
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I have all those things and would not ask for payment on those items except for covering. But if I had left over covering from a previous build, the next guy would not have to pay for covering ($16 a roll) if he chose the same color.

Frank
Here's a true story, Frank. I really like these cheap Depron Foamies that BP Hobbies sells. I like them so much that one day, a couple years ago, I offered to build one "at cost" for any flying buddy of mine that wanted one. I would deliver them receiver-ready. I figured that once I was in mass-production mode it would take me maybe just two or three hours per plane to do the job. I got half a dozen takers. Long story short, and maybe 'cuz I'm a crappy businessman, I lost money on the deal, exactly because I forgot to figure in all those miscellaneous and sundry costs.
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 11:50 PM
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Nice assembly line you got going there. And I hear what you are saying. I'm sure I'll loose out as well, but if I can help get some of our fellow modelers out there flying a great model airplane, it will be worth it.

Frank
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Old Feb 11, 2013, 11:51 PM
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Why? Because I enjoy building. I enjoy helping others. I'm currently building a profile for a club member and not charging him a dime. I've done it before for another club member also. All I charge is the the cost of materials. The club member wanted something like what I had but didn't have the time or tools to build so I offered to build one for him. I also work a 40hr+ job a week but I build after work when I have time. The build is on my time frame but it's winter and not much flying is going on right now. It's all about helping others enjoy the hobby as much as you do.

Here's the build going on now. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1821273

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1825723
My hat is off to you Sir! Way to go!

I hope we can start echoing that philosophy all across RCG.

Frank
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 08:50 AM
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My hat is off to you Sir! Way to go!

I hope we can start echoing that philosophy all across RCG.

Frank
Again, I disagree.
From the theme of "giving a man a fish" as opposed to "teaching a man to fish" philosophy...
It does no good to give an otherwise competent person a plane when they can learn to build one.

We each have our perspective on this, but I always would rather teach "how to" instead of leaving them still dependent upon others.
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 11:55 AM
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Again, I disagree.
From the theme of "giving a man a fish" as opposed to "teaching a man to fish" philosophy...
It does no good to give an otherwise competent person a plane when they can learn to build one.

We each have our perspective on this, but I always would rather teach "how to" instead of leaving them still dependent upon others.
I agree. I have not ruled out the idea of teaching someone to build a plane. That is clearly stated in post #1. But there are some folks who simply cannot or are able to build. There is no reason we cannot help them out by providing a helpful hand.

Frank
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Old Feb 12, 2013, 03:35 PM
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I agree. I have not ruled out the idea of teaching someone to build a plane. That is clearly stated in post #1. But there are some folks who simply cannot or are able to build. There is no reason we cannot help them out by providing a helpful hand.

Frank
AMEN!
What is wrong with someone offering to help? If you do not need or want the help that is well and good. But there are some who could benefit from this kind act. If someone has the desire to help and someone needs the help for what ever reason what is the downside?
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 02:00 PM
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There were folks that have asked me to include all types of air frames in this project so I have opened this up to all forms of model aviation.

I just hope there are people willing to volunteer to share their skills and experience with others. I know there are a lot of folks that are willing to help via the forums but interaction with strangers in real life can be unnerving to them.

Frank
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