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Old Feb 01, 2013, 08:36 PM
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The logical disconnect is palpable among gunsters these days. I blame it on desperation. The mere fact that these people had followed Jones to another country, who had been telling them they were going to wind up dead soon anyways, completely differentiates their fate with that of say, total innocents mowed down by a nut while going about the normal daily routine.
The desperation is on the part of the anti second amendment crowd. Can't see the connection? One kills a bunch of kids with a gun, the other with poison. Kids all dead at the hand of a crazy man.. Maybe we can call them poison nutters. Or posionsters. Lets ban SCARY looking bottles of poison!
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 08:41 PM
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The logical disconnect is palpable among gunsters these days. I blame it on desperation. The mere fact that these people had followed Jones to another country, who had been telling them they were going to wind up dead soon anyways, completely differentiates their fate with that of say, total innocents mowed down by a nut while going about the normal daily routine.
Exactly!
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 08:46 PM
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The desperation is on the part of the anti second amendment crowd. Can't see the connection? One kills a bunch of kids with a gun, the other with poison. Kids all dead at the hand of a crazy man.. Maybe we can call them poison nutters. Or posionsters. Lets ban SCARY looking bottles of poison!
Other than Jones Town can you present any poisonings that would equate to the continuing loss of life due to firearms?
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 09:02 PM
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The desperation is on the part of the anti second amendment crowd. Can't see the connection? One kills a bunch of kids with a gun, the other with poison. Kids all dead at the hand of a crazy man.. Maybe we can call them poison nutters. Or posionsters. Lets ban SCARY looking bottles of poison!
That's not desperation on the part of those who want to ban certain classes of firearms, it's fear.

There is no comparison with the Sandy Hook killer and Jones. One intruded upon the lives of those completely unrelated to them, and another took the likes of his "flock" which willing followed their "messiah" to the middle of a a foreign jungle. The only real comparison is that they were both tragedies. But in one, the victims willingly placed themselves and their children at the mercy of a man who told them to follow him because the end was near. The others just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 09:05 PM
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The OP is a stretch and the Tea-Shooters are diverting.

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Old Feb 01, 2013, 10:07 PM
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Not sure but I doubt the congregation was not allowed be armed, just the leaders. Humm, sounds like what Mr Obama wants.
Excellent comparison and koolaid is what Obama is serving and in my opinion it is just as deadly as what Jones served.
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 12:58 AM
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The OP comparison is what passes for logic these days?

No.
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 02:07 AM
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Liberal-socialist... That's funny. And totally false. Well, he was liberal with other men's wives... And social with them at the same time. So yeah, liberal-socialist.

It's particularly telling that the OP didn't mention ultra-religious in the description of Jones. After all, he did think he was the messiah.
The doctor was most certainly liberal, then a socialist, along with supporting communism. They all left their $$ to the ussr. So yes, liberal-socialist is correct. They aspired to live in a Utopian society, and hated capitalism and the free market.
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 02:11 AM
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You are the one suggesting that poisoning oneself along with their children is equal to say someone with a gun killing them instead, totally bogus!
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The logical disconnect is palpable among gunsters these days. I blame it on desperation. The mere fact that these people had followed Jones to another country, who had been telling them they were going to wind up dead soon anyways, completely differentiates their fate with that of say, total innocents mowed down by a nut while going about the normal daily routine.

Can you show me the disconnect with murdering children by poison as opposed to shooting them? Or are you suggesting the children were willing participants. Your refusal to face the plain facts that children were murdered is telling. Or can children only be harmed by guns? Or the children shot by one person are somehow more important than many more children murdered by insane people?
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 02:15 AM
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How so? As far as these children knew they were going about their normal routine and were poisoned. The callous shown towards innocent children by some posters in this thread is
ick, and just goes to show the agenda is really what's important, not the children.

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That's not desperation on the part of those who want to ban certain classes of firearms, it's fear.

There is no comparison with the Sandy Hook killer and Jones. One intruded upon the lives of those completely unrelated to them, and another took the likes of his "flock" which willing followed their "messiah" to the middle of a a foreign jungle. The only real comparison is that they were both tragedies. But in one, the victims willingly placed themselves and their children at the mercy of a man who told them to follow him because the end was near. The others just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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The OP comparison is what passes for logic these days?

No.
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 02:39 AM
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No guns involved.

in 1978, liberal-socialist Jim Jones along with his doctor Larry Schact concocted a cyanide/flavor-aid mixed to give to the members of the People's temple agricultural project. While it might be looked upon as a mass suicide, the children that died were most certainly murdered.

Maniacs will kill, no matter what tools they use. In fact, in this case they considered using guns to shoot people, but even with that option, chose poison instead, rendering access to guns as a moot point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
There are many holes and incorrect information in your post - beginning with the first two sentences.

It wasn't the largest massacre since the Civil War - 9/11 far exceeded it.

Guns were in fact involved.

Jones was a maniacal, insane, drug using religious nut case who led a bunch of other religious nutcases in a murder-suicide, and forced hundreds of children to kill themselves. A murderous cult. That is a fact, and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone dispute that.

Religious nutcases. Whether they were liberals, socialists, communists, who left what money where, etc.......

Religious nutcases. I don't think I've seen anyone ever dispute that either.

Are you?
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 09:56 AM
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The OP is a stretch and the Tea-Shooters are diverting.

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They are freaking out. They may be stuck with only three AR's and twenty 30 round mags if the ban goes through.
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 10:06 AM
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It WAS the largest. Past tense. Cmon guys, it's simple.

Guns were involved in 6 deaths, true, but an alternate method was chosen for the majority, even thought they considered the option to kill.

Their political views were the BASIS for their church. That's why they willed their possession to the USSR, and committed "revolutionary suicide " to "prove" those views, NOT for some kind of spiritual purpose.




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There are many holes and incorrect information in your post - beginning with the first two sentences.

It wasn't the largest massacre since the Civil War - 9/11 far exceeded it.

Guns were in fact involved.

Jones was a maniacal, insane, drug using religious nut case who led a bunch of other religious nutcases in a murder-suicide, and forced hundreds of children to kill themselves. A murderous cult. That is a fact, and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone dispute that.

Religious nutcases. Whether they were liberals, socialists, communists, who left what money where, etc.......

Religious nutcases. I don't think I've seen anyone ever dispute that either.

Are you?
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Old Feb 02, 2013, 10:19 AM
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How so? As far as these children knew they were going about their normal routine and were poisoned. The callous shown towards innocent children by some posters in this thread is
sick, and just goes to show the agenda is really what's important, not the children.
Exactly right ...how many of those kids in Newtown were not going about their normal routine prior to being shot?How many went to school that day knowing they were going to be killed?

What if the shooter had been driving a Toyota and plowed thru a bunch of kids on the playground instead ?..."so sorry, the throttle musta got stuck "?

The perp ,not his weapon of choice is to blame .
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